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Old 08-15-2015, 06:39 PM   #1
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KOTD vs URL (Nerd vs Street) battles that actually make sense

we all know kotd has booked some terrible style clashes (pass vs dna, caustic vs verb, diz vs chilla, dbd vs shine, clips vs hollohan, saurus vs jjdd, etc)

but what are some that would actually work well??

heres a few to start:

pat stay vs aye verb

hollohan vs t-top

DBD vs DNA
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Old 08-15-2015, 08:18 PM   #2
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247 vs chess

Charron vs prep

Hollohan vs Suge

Pat vs hollow




Bender vs ttop

Sketch vs KShine

Kid twist vs bmagic


Chedda cheese vs bill collector

Osa vs chilla




Dose vs dose lolol
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Old 08-15-2015, 08:19 PM   #3
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You should put in the thread that actual kotd rappers(i.e. Canadians), not people who jumped ship after grindtime should be exclusively used...just my opinion tho!!!
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Sketch vs KShine

Kid twist vs bmagic


Chedda cheese vs bill collector

Osa vs chilla

























































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247 vs chess

Charron vs prep

Hollohan vs Suge

Pat vs hollow




Bender vs ttop

Sketch vs KShine

Kid twist vs bmagic


Chedda cheese vs bill collector

Osa vs chilla




Dose vs dose lolol
I pretty much agree with all of these. Would like to see some names shuffled after the fact to see what happens, but solid list man.
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Illmac vs Calicoe for EITHer the incredible trainwreck OR the unbelievably irony of Mac doing well
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Was gonna type out a bunch of paragraphs about how this thread is a perfect example of how battle fan culture reinforces a dichotomy of styles that doesn't acknowledge nuances, but whatever. I'm going with:

Saurus vs Clips
Bender vs Magic
Chilla vs Illmac
Shine vs Rone
Caustic vs Rosenburg
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Sorry, these are also all bad ideas. If you don't believe me, look at the fact that chromium cosigns it. That should tell you everything.

Out of curiosity, have there even been any great or classic street rapper vs backpack rapper battles? I honestly can't think of any. I know a lot people felt that illmac vs bigg k was classic, and I can accept that, but I wasn't really feeling illmac's raps, and if I were ever to revisit it, it would be for bigg k's verses, tbh. As a matter of fact, I'd probably rewatch bigg k vs rosenburg raw before I did that. Wait, there was also real deal vs b magic, but I wasn't feeling real deal's raps, so I can't consider that a classic either.

Idk, just seems like this idea fails over and over again, but people won't let it go, for whatever reason.
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Slightly offtopic but just watched Bender vs Big T and that one worked out really well

EDIT: @6000GP have you seen this one? I think it was pretty great, not a classic though

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Slightly offtopic but just watched Bender vs Big T and that one worked out really well

EDIT: @6000GP have you seen this one? I think it was pretty great, not a classic though
yeah, I watched it once way back... I remember bender doing well, and big t being underwhelming. even still, they're speaking 2 different languages. big t was rapping about mostly hood shit and gun play to a canadian portrait artist, and the portrait artist was rapping a bunch of multis and esoteric references to a dude that's actually been shot over some real life hood shit. thats literally how i see a battle like that, and it makes no sense at all to me.

but @Gopher D'Gusto kinda has a point, imo. there are a lot of nuances. lets say there were a venn diagram for battle rappers placing them into one of two main categories: street rapper and backpack rapper. there would absolutely be some overlap. like for example chilla jones vs illmac sounds like it could be a great battle, but they're not polar opposites. on the otherhand, k shine vs rone? c'mon, now... rone and k shine are like on opposite ends of the spectrum, that battle is a joke.
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yeah, I watched it once way back... I remember bender doing well, and big t being underwhelming. even still, they're speaking 2 different languages. big t was rapping about mostly hood shit and gun play to a canadian portrait artist, and the portrait artist was rapping a bunch of multis and esoteric references to a dude that's actually been shot over some real life hood shit. thats literally how i see a battle like that, and it makes no sense at all to me.

but @Gopher D'Gusto kinda has a point, imo. there are a lot of nuances. lets say there were a venn diagram for battle rappers placing them into one of two main categories: street rapper and backpack rapper. there would absolutely be some overlap. like for example chilla jones vs illmac sounds like it could be a great battle, but they're not polar opposites. on the otherhand, k shine vs rone? c'mon, now... rone and k shine are like on opposite ends of the spectrum, that battle is a joke.
Yeah, I get your point. For me watching these battles is a bit different though because English is my third language and I come from a pretty different culture so I don't get a lot of the street shit and it's mostly just sort of cool sounding filler to me, so for me the contrast between the different styles isn't just as big as it is for others.

I don't really like most of the street vs backpacker battles either and thought that battle was more of an exception to the rule. But like you guys said, they could work if the contrast between the two styles isn't too big, but like I mentioned earlier, I might not be the best person to determine which rappers would do well against each other. But the people booking the battles should have known better. It's still a really entertaining idea to have two people coming from way different walks of life but with similar styles going at it and it could work out really well with the right rappers.
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who exactly is street between dbd and dna
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Sine when is DNA considered street lmao
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Since when did arbitrary labels on groups of people arbitrarily lumped together for the sake of generalization matter?

Oh yeah. Genocide. I'm down with this.
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Oh yeah. Genocide. I'm down with this.
Bruh, I'm all for advocating for changing the conversation when it comes to battle fan culture, but don't go comparing a bunch of dumb kids on the Internet to genocide. Not only is that a huge reach, but it also trivializes genocide.
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They didn't book dbd vs k shine lol shine did it on 24 hrs notice or something, the real battle would actually have been funny vs DNA but I can understand why people would hate that matchup too. You said they booked some dumb matches and then listed the battle that was booked as one that would work. Lol
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Bruh, I'm all for advocating for changing the conversation when it comes to battle fan culture, but don't go comparing a bunch of dumb kids on the Internet to genocide. Not only is that a huge reach, but it also trivializes genocide.
Ill do a genocide on you, you dumb kid on the internet.
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Lol ok... So DNA grows up in a single parent household because his father passes away when he was child, while living in an area of a city where people who share similar unfortunate dispostions are relegated to...

Meanwhile, Dan comes from San Jose (bay area / Silicon Valley / fantasty land compared to the real hood / etc..) has a college education and wild resources via the "fresh coast" good 'ol boys network...
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You're now comparing various hip hop cliques to the divide between Ghetto's and Old Boys Clubs.

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yeah, I watched it once way back... I remember bender doing well, and big t being underwhelming. even still, they're speaking 2 different languages. big t was rapping about mostly hood shit and gun play to a canadian portrait artist, and the portrait artist was rapping a bunch of multis and esoteric references to a dude that's actually been shot over some real life hood shit. thats literally how i see a battle like that, and it makes no sense at all to me.

but @Gopher D'Gusto kinda has a point, imo. there are a lot of nuances. lets say there were a venn diagram for battle rappers placing them into one of two main categories: street rapper and backpack rapper. there would absolutely be some overlap. like for example chilla jones vs illmac sounds like it could be a great battle, but they're not polar opposites. on the otherhand, k shine vs rone? c'mon, now... rone and k shine are like on opposite ends of the spectrum, that battle is a joke.
Thanks. I suggested Shine vs Rone because they're both high energy battlers who never half-ass performances. I know their styles don't overlap in any other way and it doesn't work as well on paper as Chilla vs Illmac, but I actually think it would be enjoyable.

In general, I do tend to agree that a lot of the more experimental style clashes haven't been classics (although many of the ones on Grind Time were), but I disagree that it means KOTD shouldn't keep booking them. I like the idea of expanding possibilities and making people more open-minded to battles people wouldn't expect.
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I take back teh Genocide threat. Great post.
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Sorry, these are also all bad ideas. If you don't believe me, look at the fact that chromium cosigns it. That should tell you everything.

Out of curiosity, have there even been any great or classic street rapper vs backpack rapper battles? I honestly can't think of any. I know a lot people felt that illmac vs bigg k was classic, and I can accept that, but I wasn't really feeling illmac's raps, and if I were ever to revisit it, it would be for bigg k's verses, tbh. As a matter of fact, I'd probably rewatch bigg k vs rosenburg raw before I did that. Wait, there was also real deal vs b magic, but I wasn't feeling real deal's raps, so I can't consider that a classic either.

Idk, just seems like this idea fails over and over again, but people won't let it go, for whatever reason.
The fact that you just don't like the "non-street" rapper doesnt mean the battle isnt good
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Lol ok... So DNA grows up in a single parent household because his father passes away when he was child, while living in an area of a city where people who share similar unfortunate dispostions are relegated to...

Meanwhile, Dan comes from San Jose (bay area / Silicon Valley / fantasty land compared to the real hood / etc..) has a college education and wild resources via the "fresh coast" good 'ol boys network...
i dont think just cuz 2 ppl come from different wakes of life their styles cant match up well and they cant battle each other, thats a lil ridiculous lol

plus ur just makin assumptions about what dans life was like

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The fact that you just don't like the "non-street" rapper doesnt mean the battle isnt good
yeah, actually that is what it means. at least imo. for a battle to be good, you should enjoy more than half of it, right? you should feel it was competitive and entertaining throughout, yeah?


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plus ur just makin assumptions about what dans life was like

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M6nwv9g50Q
i thought thats what we were doing when we were saying that dan's street status is more official than dna. but i'm not gonna listen to a dbd song lol. especially not one called "suburbanites". idk if you've ever been to san jose, but it's super nice. there are virtually no dangerous parts. there's some trashy people and drugs/junkies, but it's mostly super nice. another thing i do know about dan is that he's close freinds with several rapping white supremacists (ron, caustic, joe cutter, ...) with no cultural awareness. that also kinda suggests that he's more on the backpacker end of the spectrum.
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Out of curiosity, have there even been any great or classic street rapper vs backpack rapper battles?
Would Solomon vs Math qualify? (PS even if so, the fact I had to back in time a million years kinda supports your point)
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Would Solomon vs Math qualify? (PS even if so, the fact I had to back in time a million years kinda supports your point)
i think so. there's a probably a few more of them out there, i just think they're rare. and also, there's some overlap in between the two main styles.. i agree with gusto in that illmac vs chilla is a good match up.

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Tbh battle rap is an extremely nerdy thing to do nowadays BUT I'll define "street" as a battler who believably includes hood references and/or gun bars in their battles and "nerd" as someone who either doesn't or only satirically uses street content.

24/7 vs JC
Thesaurus vs Big T
Eurgh vs Big Kannon
Pat Stay vs Lux
Shotty vs Hollow Da Don
Illmac vs Mook
Shufflo vs DNA-Shine
NoCanDo vs T-Rex
XQZ vs Ty Law
Bender vs B Magic
Heir Jordan vs Ness Lee
Cruger vs Chilla Jones
Dizaster vs Charlie Clips
Kid Twist* vs Conceited
Nils m Skils vs Swave Sevah
Dumbfoundead vs Arsonal
Rone* vs Bigg K
and of course the battle that almost happened....

CARTER DEEMS vs HEAD ICE

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Old 08-16-2015, 05:19 PM   #35
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Tbh battle rap is an extremely nerdy thing to do nowadays BUT I'll define "street" as a battler who believably includes hood references and/or gun bars in their battles and "nerd" as someone who either doesn't or only satirically uses street content.

24/7 vs JC
Thesaurus vs Big T
Eurgh vs Big Kannon
Pat Stay vs Lux
Shotty vs Hollow Da Don
Illmac vs Mook
Shufflo vs DNA-Shine
NoCanDo vs T-Rex
XQZ vs Ty Law
Bender vs B Magic
Heir Jordan vs Ness Lee
Cruger vs Chilla Jones
Dizaster vs Charlie Clips
Rone vs Conceited
Nils m Skils vs Swave Sevah
Dumbfoundead vs Arsonal
Real Deal vs Bigg K
and of course the battle that almost happened....

CARTER DEEMS vs HEAD ICE
Real deal already beat Bigg Kaye smh!!!
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Old 08-16-2015, 05:24 PM   #36
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yeah, actually that is what it means. at least imo. for a battle to be good, you should enjoy more than half of it, right? you should feel it was competitive and entertaining throughout, yeah?
Not really, it means that you don't like the battle
I can see that Chilla vs Day is a good matchup or Verb vs Lux is (was), but I dont like those battlers so I won't enjoy it
It's not that hard to see why others, who actually like these battlers, would consider it a good battle
Just like Bender vs Big T although they werent on top form, it made sense and was a fun battle if you like those guys
The same holds for Hollohan/Suge, Caustic/Rosenberg, Chedda/Bill and many other suggestions in this topic
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Real deal already beat Bigg Kaye smh!!!
Grazi. Edited.
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Old 08-16-2015, 07:44 PM   #38
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Hollohan vs t top. Lol.
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247 vs chess

Charron vs prep

Hollohan vs Suge

Pat vs hollow




Bender vs ttop

Sketch vs KShine

Kid twist vs bmagic


Chedda cheese vs bill collector

Osa vs chilla




Dose vs dose lolol
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Lmfao this is false.

Don't care enough to contend with the rest of the post but yeah, no.
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