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Old 01-07-2014, 03:20 AM   #41
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This battle > Danny Meyers vs rum nitty
Are you hating on that battle or liking this one?
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Old 01-07-2014, 03:31 AM   #42
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Are you hating on that battle or liking this one?
Hmmm.... am I hating?

I had to think about that for a sec... Idk, maybe? What's hating, exactly? More of less, I think I was just sharing an honest opinion
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Hmmm.... am I hating?

I had to think about that for a sec... Idk, maybe? What's hating, exactly? More of less, I think I was just sharing an honest opinion
Sorry man I wasn't calling you on anything, I was genuinely asking.

Tbh I have like 30 minutes later on the train home and if people are saying they liked Myers v Nitty and this is better, then I'm defiantly gonna watch it. If it was more of a way to say you thought Myers v Nitty was overrated that is saying something else.

Na mean?
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Sorry man I wasn't calling you on anything, I was genuinely asking.

Tbh I have like 30 minutes later on the train home and if people are saying they liked Myers v Nitty and this is better, then I'm defiantly gonna watch it. If it was more of a way to say you thought Myers v Nitty was overrated that is saying something else.

Na mean?
Ha, f'sho man.. Lightweight faded atm, and I tend to get introspective lol

Both battles were cool, but if DM vs RN was on of the battles of the year, then I gotta say this is better impo... I still don't know if I'm hating or not lmao
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Old 01-07-2014, 04:44 AM   #45
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Chilla took it 2-1. Chilla's so much better doing shorter rounds, and in front of smaller audiences. I've still never seen Chilla have a wack battle though.

To surpass Chilla you need to counter him with angles rather than try and beat him at his own game. I felt like Deadman came close to achieving that, but it was too infrequent, and he never quite hit the heights that Chilla did.

I actually like Deadman's gruff voice, but you need flawless audio to listen to him.

Pretty good battle, I think BOTB6 is proving to be a good event. At the moment BOTB6 is just surpassing WD4 as the best of 2013, I've only seen 1 terrible battle, and 1 or 2 average ones.
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Old 01-07-2014, 05:40 AM   #46
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Chilla won, continues to mine the best and most accessible references possible and uses them with more wit than almost any other battler. Chilla is a battler you can have a friend watch without having to give them a half hour lecture so they understand the bars, which is a very important attribute.

Chilla vs RD would be a great battle, Chilla's better with the word-play RD is historically more versatile. Would be interesting to see what Chilla's approach for that kind of match-up is.

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Chilla took it 2-1. Chilla's so much better doing shorter rounds, and in front of smaller audiences. I've still never seen Chilla have a wack battle though.
Wasn't BOTB6 a 800~900 person event?
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Old 01-07-2014, 05:50 AM   #47
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Meant to vote Chilla. Oh well. Good battle.
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Old 01-07-2014, 05:57 AM   #48
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Deadman was pretty good in this battle, but still got 3-0'd easily. No one's touching Chilla Jones right now. I understand that some people don't like his style, but his pen game is unparalleled. And I really don't think his delivery or performance is a problem at all. I don't give much weight to that aspect of battling in the first place, but Chilla's performance seems pretty good to me.

KOTD needs to give him some better matches. Daylyt vs. Chilla Jones would be crazy. I'm not sure how Chilla did against Clips on that weird EBL card, but I think he's in for a big 2014.
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Can someone help me understand Chilla's "that's what American do" punchline? I didn't understand it.
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Can someone help me understand Chilla's "that's what American do" punchline? I didn't understand it.
I think he was just listing a bunch of nationalities lol.
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he said something like it reflects back, that's what a mirror can do
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i have buddies who told me about a guy falling while snowboarding and injuring his ribs to the point that it messed up his breath control, so he had to sit out of his hobby for a few months. something tells me they were talking about psycoses.
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Does that make sense / is it dope?
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it doesn't make sense as a double entendre but as an "associative wordplay" yeah it makes sense. flowed really well too.
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Can someone help me understand Chilla's "that's what American do" punchline? I didn't understand it.
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I think he was just listing a bunch of nationalities lol.

"my true guess, speeding through ya rounds is what u do best/I mean we all see you rushin(RUSSIAN) to finish we hearing it too/i told ya men(GERMAN) pardon my FRENCH or I'm airing a tool with a ray being(ARABIAN) my weapon/ I'm (currying) whoever here in his crew cuz in the end(INDIAN) it reflects back on him/that's what being a mirror can(AMERICAN) do.

The rest of the scheme

''Now verse P, u spit filler, P know(FILIPINO) you ain't hype with quotes/any guy in these(GUYANESE) battles test Jones..,knife his throat/the threat ya making(JAMAICAN) to leave Chill in.....You looking like a DUTCH, its my time to smoke/But you tallying(ITALIAN) my wins cuz i punch till my hands hurt/And Chilla (Scot-Ish) to get you kilt like a man skirt''
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See that's not hot to me. I don't even get the point of saying all that stuff because the payoff isn't even really very good. To me, if ur gonna do a scheme, it has to be hot as a scheme AND on it's own. So if it's not a good diss on its own, it's not a good diss as part of a scheme.

Example, his famous car scheme against JC he was talking about his girl and said if his opponent asked her something (axle), it would "offend her (fender) more than staring will (steering wheel)"

Now, if u look at that on its own, why the fuck would his opponent care if he offended his girl. That makes no sense and it's not even a diss towards his opponent. Therefore it's not really that cool as a scheme either.

Now I'm done.

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JC is presumably trying to pick up Chilla's girl but whatever he tries won't work. ie "my girl is out of your league, don't even try talking to her"

also, that scheme is famous? there's like a million better schemes in that battle haha

edit: I went back and listened to the scheme & the set up says that his girl ("my shorty hood") has a gun ("flare concealed w/ a silencer to muffle the sound so brake if she air the steel"). don't offend people with guns
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Blah battle all the forced wordplay some are good some are meh...
Deadman got the worst voice but liked the bars better
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Chilla 3-0, Deadman's got some witty bars but this battle had a clear gap in talent

Chilla shoulda gotten someone like Daylyt, Heartless, RemyD
Chilla would have got bodied by all 3 of those. Maybe he could deal with Heartless
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Damn was thinking Deadman would take advantage and body an unmotivated Chilla.

Not the case 1st watch...Chilla spazzed and Deadman was meh...

Fan of Deadman and not a fan of Chilla btw, was wondering why Sketch Menace, Uno, Tax, and whoever Lex Luthor is made Blackout but not Deadman...maybe this?
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Damn really disappointed in Deadman. Chilla improved leaps and bounds. Crazy...
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"my true guess, speeding through ya rounds is what u do best/I mean we all see you rushin(RUSSIAN) to finish we hearing it too/i told ya men(GERMAN) pardon my FRENCH or I'm airing a tool with a ray being(ARABIAN) my weapon/ I'm (currying) whoever here in his crew cuz in the end(INDIAN) it reflects back on him/that's what being a mirror can(AMERICAN) do.

The rest of the scheme

''Now verse P, u spit filler, P know(FILIPINO) you ain't hype with quotes/any guy in these(GUYANESE) battles test Jones..,knife his throat/the threat ya making(JAMAICAN) to leave Chill in.....You looking like a DUTCH, its my time to smoke/But you tallying(ITALIAN) my wins cuz i punch till my hands hurt/And Chilla (Scot-Ish) to get you kilt like a man skirt''
I absolutely hate this style overused Especially when there's no point to the association It seems just to be names of countries and stuff
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all general opinions of associative wordplay and scheming aren't to be used in Chilla arguments

he is the end all be all and the elite of it-
when others do it its terrible i agree

this is not up for debate

also anyone who, by any stretch of the imagination, thinks Deadman won didn't really watch or listen (like person in the above comment must not have really listened or read)
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I really want to like Deadman, but the audio here made him impossible to understand most of the battle. The fact that he has a raspy, unanunciated delivery doesn't help.

Chilla was great in this. Might be his best performance since the JC battle.
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I'm a huge fan of chilla, and was real excited for this battle when i was there at botb6. Idk what it was tho, but for some reason I just couldn't get into this battle live. It was just really boring to me. Judging by people's responses tho it looks like it turned out better on cam so ima have to rewatch

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what chilla does isn't what i like about battle rap and in my opinion he'd get beaten by anybody with a personality
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I'm a huge fan of chilla, and was real excited for this battle when i was there at botb6. Idk what it was tho, but for some reason I just couldn't get into this battle live. It was just really boring to me. Judging by people's responses tho it looks like it turned out better on cam so ima have to rematch.

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Except it's not just names of countries and stuff. If u only pay attention to the wordplay, maybe. But if u listen to he lyrics and ignore the wordplay, then besides the "mirror can do" line falling flat, it still makes sense as just some insults and violent battle rap bars.

"my true guess, speeding through ya rounds is what u do best/I mean we all see you rushin to finish we hearing it too/i told ya men pardon my FRENCH or I'm airing a tool with a ray being my weapon/ I'm carrying whoever here in his crew cuz in the end it reflects back on him/that's what being a mirror can do."

Now, if someone who's not known for their wordplay said this, and didnt point out the themed wordplay throughout, then it would be accepted as just some light insults and tough guy bars. But because it has the label "associative wordplay" over it, some people automatically discount it without giving any thought to why.

It's actually pretty impressive imo to make plainly stated phrases and rhymes also serve as double-entendres and innuendo. And if it flows well, and sounds hot, then I really have a tough time understanding exactly what it is that people have a problem with tbph.
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Malathion suck a fat dick.. I can't stand that guy... would puke on him if I get the chance.
What's the name of that retarted looking guy in the Superman tank top? Can't stand him either.

3-0 Chilla btw.. Real Deal would body him tho
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Except it's not just names of countries and stuff. If u only pay attention to the wordplay, maybe. But if u listen to he lyrics and ignore the wordplay, then besides the "mirror can do" line falling flat, it still makes sense as just some insults and violent battle rap bars.

"my true guess, speeding through ya rounds is what u do best/I mean we all see you rushin to finish we hearing it too/i told ya men pardon my FRENCH or I'm airing a tool with a ray being my weapon/ I'm carrying whoever here in his crew cuz in the end it reflects back on him/that's what being a mirror can do."

Now, if someone who's not known for their wordplay said this, and didnt point out the themed wordplay throughout, then it would be accepted as just some light insults and tough guy bars. But because it has the label "associative wordplay" over it, some people automatically discount it without giving any thought to why.

It's actually pretty impressive imo to make plainly stated phrases and rhymes also serve as double-entendres and innuendo. And if it flows well, and sounds hot, then I really have a tough time understanding exactly what it is that people have a problem with tbph.
Rare disagreement on this. When it's a few schemes is one thing but when I literally have to try and find the double or triple meaning to every single syllable out of your mouth I am inclined to stop caring. Oh he's talking about countries but really shooting me. Oh he's talking about blunts but really shooting me. I guess what I'm saying is I would love one of these never ending wordplay cats to show up to a battle with really succinct, specific material. That'd be impressive at this point because their gimmick, and it is certainly a gimmick, is not only tired because it's been done since 2009, it is literally becoming a crutch for a lot of guys. Chilla has style but at no point do I feel like he's really getting at his opponent's neck, I'm too busy trying to catch references and homonyms.
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that bioshock/half life/dead rising/halo 4 scheme was tough...battle was over after that
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wow, deadman in his 3rd round was heavily influenced by hollow vs big t....dude got 3-0'd regardless though
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Not digging Deadman's voice and delivery to be honest
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I have this battle as a tie for simple reasons.

Chilla got his stuff off better due to his voice, but his bars didn't match up to Deadmans, who seemed to be having some real bad mic issues.

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Rare disagreement on this. When it's a few schemes is one thing but when I literally have to try and find the double or triple meaning to every single syllable out of your mouth I am inclined to stop caring. Oh he's talking about countries but really shooting me. Oh he's talking about blunts but really shooting me. I guess what I'm saying is I would love one of these never ending wordplay cats to show up to a battle with really succinct, specific material. That'd be impressive at this point because their gimmick, and it is certainly a gimmick, is not only tired because it's been done since 2009, it is literally becoming a crutch for a lot of guys. Chilla has style but at no point do I feel like he's really getting at his opponent's neck, I'm too busy trying to catch references and homonyms.
I hear u, and that's fair and all, but at the end of the day, it's just another tool that rappers use. They all do, or at least should use some kind of writing devices to season up or finesse their lyrics. Otherwise, it's just a bunch of "u look like this" or "u did that" and I find the only redeeming quality in those types of lyrics are the multisyllabic rhyming, and I serious do not even rate multis like that at all. At this point in battle rap, plainly stated and direct multis are the worse, most overused gimmick, but that's just imo. It seems like a fundamental thing that we should be beyond, and I don't find anything clever about it 95% of the time. On the other hand, as far as literary devices to as they relate to battle rap, associative wordplay is just another tool, and it's pretty good when done right, obviously imo
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See that's not hot to me. I don't even get the point of saying all that stuff because the payoff isn't even really very good. To me, if ur gonna do a scheme, it has to be hot as a scheme AND on it's own. So if it's not a good diss on its own, it's not a good diss as part of a scheme.
I 100% get what you mean, but Chilla is the wrong guy to make the point about. IMO he is the best to do them, although I think he does go overboard sometimes.

The problem with schemes is that there is no defined length they should be so people stretch them out way too long. I think Illmac's Brute/Axe/Degree one was fairly simple by some of the standards now but I liked how concise it was.

Also whoever transcribed the nationalities one missed Russian to Finnish.


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Someone transcribe this, it was the best scheme he did from memory.
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