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Old 10-13-2018, 06:45 PM   #1
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Fuck you talking bout: the death of KOTD

I told y'all herbs

Back in 2013-2015 when i used to browse this sub.....alot of the shit dominated on here was KOTD content. Now all your weirdo's are wondering - "How did the great white league die out on us".

Here is how it happen:

1. Booking talent that didn't care about their league.

Instead of focusing and going all in on the nerdy/corny shit that their platform represented they wanted the "Urban" audience. So they started booking battlers like Clips, Verb and so forth. They became reliant on URL battlers so much that half of their biggest card would be basically URL cats. All their major events would be KOTD vs URL. But then came a time battlers saw how corny that side is....."these are the same grindtime cats weirdo's just on KOTD". And that feeling wasn't there....a one time joint between Charron vs a Smack rapper might be fun, but doing it over and over is just.....CORNY.


2. Not developing TALENT.

The GZ's was basically just a dumping ground for retarded shit....there was nobody good coming out. They don't invest in talent like A-ward and have no idea on how to develop nothing.

They were good in taking URL sloppy seconds though. Bigg K did come pretty far in KOTD, but he developed a lazy shitty flow and lost on his return to URL(He is washed). They could have did something with Gjonaj, but threw him at Diz quick and burnt out the flame for him.

If URL takes talent that has been on KOTD before their platform they gonna give them smaller battles and transition them to bigger ones. Look at Nitty - millions of views and huge battles.

How is Twork getting more buzz then your fucking KOTD Champion? All that chain has done for Ice is make him looked even more washed as they drag him down with them.


3. Location

The fact is that if you wanted to pick up all the grindtime battlers...you herbs should have put yall self in LA....its clear thats where your biggest battlers came from. Or just stay in Canada and don't try to pick up psycho's like Diz to be the face of your league.

4. Bad managment

This speaks for itself.....this league was run by cornballs....When diz said "You guys are afraid of black people"....i believed it.....also fuck that blood sucking coward King Fly.



in the end...you did it to yourself.....might as well just make the decade card a farwell card too while y'all at it, and let the next league take your spot.

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Where are The Strike 2.5 updates ?
On twitter...this site is really dead lmaooo
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OP is accurate

i think the KOTD champion concept was a mistake to begin with

they just did a lot wrong

i doubt 'decade' will even happen
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KOTD killed themselves simple as. Let's attract casual fans with matchups like Charron vs Verb. Oh we've had a bad event and all the casual fans have left. Woe!
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Aside from taking new York talent, I believe having a cornball like bishop acting hella wiggerish and drunk in sweat pants never helped. Just cringe shit. The dudes did good for a while for sure. Lot of good battles past.. abondaned identity, and just fucking awful take that mirror down cornball shit. Gully tk get your girl some merch.. king fly huge faggot. Just a bad team that did a lot tho... prolly cause of organik, lush, and avo
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Aside from taking new York talent, I believe having a cornball like bishop acting hella wiggerish and drunk in sweat pants never helped. Just cringe shit. The dudes did good for a while for sure. Lot of good battles past.. abondaned identity, and just fucking awful take that mirror down cornball shit. Gully tk get your girl some merch.. king fly huge faggot. Just a bad team that did a lot tho... prolly cause of organik, lush, and avo
Bishop, cornball or not, definitely contributed in a positive way for kotd. He was the only one who knew how to interact with a bring over guys like ars, nems, swave, Cortez and a slew of others.

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Bishop, cornball or not, definitely contributed in a positive way for kotd. He was the only one who knew how to interact with a bring over guys like ars, nems, swave, Cortez and a slew of others.

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Bishop, cornball or not, definitely contributed in a positive way for kotd. He was the only one who knew how to interact with a bring over guys like ars, nems, swave, Cortez and a slew of others.

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I feel like with the internet and cel phones organik could have crossed those bridges of interaction. But facts are the dudes are famous and did a lot. I am not mad at it. Wish ganik would have ditched bishop and promoted more white on white crime. Kept judging, and had a decent pot for the winner. Aside from the check, winner gets 500 or a band.. going smack was meh. The next thing is gonna be judged battles brought back. Even fucking wwe has winners
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The next thing is gonna be judged battles brought back.
Bringing judgements back would probably restore some interest in battling for a large group of the people who used to watch it. This showcase shit is so boring.

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I feel like with the internet and cel phones organik could have crossed those bridges of interaction. But facts are the dudes are famous and did a lot. I am not mad at it. Wish ganik would have ditched bishop and promoted more white on white crime. Kept judging, and had a decent pot for the winner. Aside from the check, winner gets 500 or a band.. going smack was meh. The next thing is gonna be judged battles brought back. Even fucking wwe has winners
Not judged battles, but Avo showed the way by introducing a prize for round/ performance of the night which lead to some GOAT rounds from Fresco, Saurus etc... only for Ganik to promptly forget it, doh!
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What is really killing them is the lack of events tbh. A league without event or battle is a dead league, simple as that. Back in 2016, The Bunker was probably the best thing to happen in KOTD, at least we had regular events each months, the cards were dope and it was a good opportunity to push up their new talents. URL events aren't always crazy but they have understood having constant actualities is an important thing
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are you an actual witness to that or are you just blowing smoke?
Am I an actual witness to that? Lol Ugh, no I don't kick it with bishop lol. Based on the past tweets bishop has sent and battlers confirming it? That good enough for you?

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What is really killing them is the lack of events tbh. A league without event or battle is a dead league, simple as that. Back in 2016, The Bunker was probably the best thing to happen in KOTD, at least we had regular events each months, the cards were dope and it was a good opportunity to push up their new talents. URL events aren't always crazy but they have understood having constant actualities is an important thing
This is probably one of the biggest factors in their fall. The bunker really was what they needed. The bunker was so smart, they'd usually have a great main event, a couple other good ones and a few smaller names. They really need to find a place to do that again.

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Am I an actual witness to that? Lol Ugh, no I don't kick it with bishop lol. Based on the past tweets bishop has sent and battlers confirming it? That good enough for you?

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Not judged battles, but Avo showed the way by introducing a prize for round/ performance of the night which lead to some GOAT rounds from Fresco, Saurus etc... only for Ganik to promptly forget it, doh!
Tht shit is cool. He is a boss. Some fire rounds. Still dudes wanna gamble and see a winner. If u kick it with your boys drunk on a saturday what u want to bet on.. who gets battle of the night, best round, best back and forth, best overall performance? Fuck no, u want to put 10 bucks on carter deems to smoke arsonal. If arsonal wins u pay 10, if carter zones u get 20. Odds and shit. This shit aint marketable enough cause there are no fucking clear winners. Showcase is garbo.

edit: those were legit the first names that came to my head, not saying set that battle up. Still bet on a winner every fucking battle.. Not ditch saturday night to converse on which mans bars were more effective subjectively. What u do when u ppv a boxing joint and get the crew together?

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when the west coast events post-bunker dried up and it shifted to being New York tier 3 league + with Pat not battling there exclusively and killing it everywhere else the appeal for me kind of waned.
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Tht shit is cool. He is a boss. Some fire rounds. Still dudes wanna gamble and see a winner. If u kick it with your boys drunk on a saturday what u want to bet on.. who gets battle of the night, best round, best back and forth, best overall performance? Fuck no, u want to put 10 bucks on carter deems to smoke arsonal. If arsonal wins u pay 10, if carter zones u get 20. Odds and shit. This shit aint marketable enough cause there are no fucking clear winners. Showcase is garbo.
Then why is the biggest league, by far, the one that never had any judged battles?
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when the west coast events post-bunker dried up and it shifted to being New York tier 3 league + with Pat not battling there exclusively and killing it everywhere else the appeal for me kind of waned.
It was Pat's best move ever to be sure. He sounded so uninspired in Toronto and now he is a free agent, he's killing it.
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Then why is the biggest league, by far, the one that never had any judged battles?
Because of the general crossover appeal to Hip-Hop fans

Has nothing to do with not being judged

a large portion of the nerd audience that watches KOTD still love street shit and most likely came up listening to similar rap at some point
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Has nothing to do with not being judged
Of course but that's obviously not what I was saying. I'm just questioning the idea that battle rap isn't marketable because there aren't judges.
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Of course but that's obviously not what I was saying. I'm just questioning the idea that battle rap isn't marketable because there aren't judges.


Word thats fair

I think he has a point though just based on how many people I've gotten to watch battles only to have them ask me "So who won?" when it was over

I wouldn't go as far as to say its not marketable but I think it would be much more marketable if it had clear winners

But it continues to grow without judges so maybe not
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Word thats fair

I think he has a point though just based on how many people I've gotten to watch battles only to have them ask me "So who won?" when it was over

I wouldn't go as far as to say its not marketable but I think it would be much more marketable if it had clear winners

But it continues to grow without judges so maybe not
I hear that and I have had friends ask me the same thing but I don't think it really affects their enjoyment of the event and it definitely isn't a factor in whether they will continue watching.

Even when everything was judged, it was all kind of meaningless and very rarely had any real excitement behind it. I feel like GT/KOTD/DF fans have overstated the importance of judging ever since it left, it can be a fun little add on but I really don't think it would have a big impact on anything if they brought it back unless it came with cash prizes, which would open up a whole load of other issues - how will they be judged & where does the cash prize come from.
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Then why is the biggest league, by far, the one that never had any judged battles?
It is marketable, I suppose I meant not nearly as marketable as it could be. If u like watching two men death poem each other with no clear winner, thats whats up. Personally, id prefer a winner and something clear to bet on. They are the biggest cause they the best.

Oh and the thread started cause dude said listen herbs kotd sucks and dead. I'm saying they shoulda kept judging and stayed in their lane.

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At the same time URL got Avo for a major step up on the visuals. They also took risks and began booking events across the US and now England with SM8. There have been new events as well like Small Room. Smack is also separating the wheat from the chaff. They’re moving forward on all fronts in a great direction.

I know it isn’t about competition in the “spirit” of things but let’s be realistic.
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Is it a coincidence that kotd fell off at the same time this forum did? Or is it a direct correlation?
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Both are symptoms of the same core problem, the GT/ Jump Off era moving on from battle rap and a lot of the fans coming in to replace them being more casual fans.
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interesting observation.

if i'm not mistaken, RMBVA decreased in activity by the time the bunker started, but still maintained many more regular posters. since KOTD's been consistently flopping after the bunker went, and since this is somewhat of a KOTD-centric forum, members either have no interest or nothing to talk about. the prior is a reason why i stopped posting here, tbh.

i would say discord is a solid unrelated reason for the forum's inactivity too, but we don't even talk about battle rap often on there. maybe a mass loss of interest would have happened regardless of the transition.
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interesting observation.

if i'm not mistaken, RMBVA decreased in activity by the time the bunker started, but still maintained many more regular posters. since KOTD's been consistently flopping after the bunker went, and since this is somewhat of a KOTD-centric forum, members either have no interest or nothing to talk about. the prior is a reason why i stopped posting here, tbh.

i would say discord is a solid unrelated reason for the forum's inactivity too, but we don't even talk about battle rap often on there. maybe a mass loss of interest would have happened regardless of the transition.


Discord is probably the biggest detractor, but it’s more of people who’ve been in contact over a period of years breaking bread and chewing the fat, as it were.
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