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Old 04-17-2014, 06:25 AM   #1
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Its "Official"... "Willy" Has Quit Watching Battles..... .... ... .. .

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thats it for me... im done as of todays date... now notice rhat i did not say i was gonna quit posting... i said im done "watching" battles... i still have a lot of great knowledge to share with new fans and many un finished discussions about the classics... im far from done "posting"...

problem is that i freeze up these days... every time i go to watch a battle i get to the youtube screen... and then i just freeze for like a few minutes usually... i cant get myself to hit the play button... and the few tines that i did maje it past that point lately... i still exited back out in less than a half round and start looking at shoes or other shit online... its just not in me anymore... i cant do it

with that said... we have an important issue to dicuss... the question of discussion for this thread is as follows...

"whats up with the lack of new talent in battle rap?

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Old 04-17-2014, 06:35 AM   #2
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we don't need a new talent, we need something "different" or "unique" battle rappers.
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What all these new guys seem to be lacking is flow.. They seem to think that they don't need to actually rap anymore

Sno and Ty Law are 2 of the only ones I think have potential, but they still need work
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thats it for me... im done as of todays date... now notice rhat i did not say i was gonna quit posting... i said im done "watching" battles... i still have a lot of great knowledge to share with new fans and many un finished discussions about the classics... im far from done "posting"...

problem is that i freeze up these days... every time i go to watch a battle i get to the youtube screen... and then i just freeze for like a few minutes usually... i cant get myself to hit the play button... and the few tines that i did maje it past that point lately... i still exited back out in less than a half round and start looking at shoes or other shit online... its just not in me anymore... i cant do it

with that said... we have an important issue to dicuss... the question of discussion for this thread is as follows...

"whats up with the lack of new talent in battle rap?

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Old 04-17-2014, 09:48 AM   #7
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Things go in cycles Willy. You're a seasoned fan who's favourite battlers have been around a while.

Verb is quitting, Holla been around a while and although he is still one of the best - you know his style etc. Magic been doing this shit for years too now.

The new talent (albeit shit) is bringing in new fans with them.

I'm surprised people like @gregrieke20 are still into this tbqh

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Maybe its you not actually watching the battles make you miss some new talent.
THere's allot more to sift through but they're still great battles
Just watch ones you anticipate and ones that get buzzed about.


Verb is retiring soon and you not gonna support his lap around the track. Don't be a sellout. I need that Willy review of his battles coming up.

You not going to watch the B Magic battles coming up vs Rum Nitty? Who's going to explain why Nitty had no chance and let the new fans know why Magic won

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dude.. willy i totally agree.. well not that ive completely stopped watching battles, but i barely can watch most of them anymore or actually make it through most of them. idk if im becoming bored with most of the shit or what?! im certainly losing interest in most of these shits coming out.. its like 20 different leagues, shit is maybe just becomin to over saturated for me
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People need to start embracing a wide range of different styles and approaches like in the heydays of GT.

Battle rappers feel like they have to conform to popular trends. This used to be something that 2nd rate clones did. Now the best battlers in the world are afraid to have their own style.

There are still some outliers clinging to their originality, but more and more everyone is starting to sound the same.

It's even worse with newcomers where there's maybe 3~4 (pushing it) that actually stand out from the crowd in any meaningful regard. The rest are maybe good for one battle where they have some nice punchlines (usually punchlines as its the current widely accepted form of being nice) but then fail to repeat that success because they have no substance or to fall back on.

KOTD fresh coast continuing to gain prominence is the only way I can see battle rap getting interesting again, the URL scene is too caught up with its narrow minded concept of "bars" to allow anything truly special to come about.

When the biggest league out that is considered the pinnacle of achievement, and where every battler wants to end up, has such stylistic limitations associated with it (true or untrue) then of course everyone is gonna play it safe and stay within that framework.

If I hear another rapper say "that's wordplay!" proudly after some dull ass redundant scheme I might spontaneously combust.
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dude.. willy i totally agree.. well not that ive completely stopped watching battles, but i barely can watch most of them anymore or actually make it through most of them. idk if im becoming bored with most of the shit or what?! im certainly losing interest in most of these shits coming out.. its like 20 different leagues, shit is maybe just becomin to over saturated for me
if we want to analyze it i think there are probably a few key similar causes of this 'problem'

i didnt read but i think i saw a thread recently about if you watch less battles than 2 yrs ago or w/e. my answer was actually no, i watch more probably. but its still not many. i slowed down a lot in maybe 2011.

right now i basically watch one or two ppl most of the time, friends, live events (then i am not picky at all when in the right mood, i will enjoy ppl i wouldnt normally) and might rarely chance one that gets hyped or something ive been interested in for a long time like bender big t unless every one says its awful or qp v qp and stuff.

i think degree of uniqueness in such a saturated state becomes more difficult and with extended exposure you expire the unique styles or characters and most of them get cloned or duplicated at least a bit or a few times.

i think just watching as a fan for years in this era (as opposed to sitting on rap music for 4 months waiting for one new battle to drop) after a while you just get a bit tired of repitition

i think for someone like you willy, or for me too, if a battle of the quality - but different and new of say a jc vs chilla comes out, it will always be enjoyable or worth watching. but otherwise with battling any way, things just get repetitive and boring - impressive or not. i think besides really unique, but not forced or cringey unique people the only other way i would gain more interest again (right now i might watch a new battle every few months outside of like i said friends, live, or the odd few favs) is if there were heavy changes to format. i dont have a good suggestion either. and most experiments fail. i even wouldnt mind 90 second rounds i think, i would probably be way more into that for -most- battles.

i would guess bordem/exposure in multi year current era fans is the primary cause. battling for single individual fans just seems to have limited longevity beyond the odd stand out or interesting change and hell its probably why some battlers care way less about battling or watch it way less than many of their fans. battling just seems to have a high turn over potential for fans now.

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People need to start embracing a wide range of different styles and approaches like in the heydays of GT.
Agree on this though, people are letting the URL trolls get to them, there's enough gun toting streetrappers out there thank you very much, it's not what the scene needs really.
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I think that battles are too long to hold the over saturation Battles getting longer not a good thing
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at one point i watched every battle on youtube on some drect shit. now im a bit bitter but still watch one a day
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Damn... Thought we finally got rid of you...
i heard this kid is like otbva's b!tch

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Willy will drop a "I told you so" thread after the B Magic vs Rum Nitty battle
drops,..even if it was a competitive battle, even if Rum dominates.

Willy will watch the battle, and he will gargle on B Magic's nuts as usual.

B Magic is in my top five,..so this isn't hate towards him, just saying Willy will not stop watching battles.
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dude.. willy i totally agree.. well not that ive completely stopped watching battles, but i barely can watch most of them anymore or actually make it through most of them. idk if im becoming bored with most of the shit or what?! im certainly losing interest in most of these shits coming out.. its like 20 different leagues, shit is maybe just becomin to over saturated for me
In 2011/2012 battlers used to go to those leagues with less enthusiasm, because they wouldn't get you as many views. The problem is that battlers have applied that work-man like mentality to the major leagues, particularly with URL rappers transferring to KOTD, and KOTD rappers transferring to Don't Flop. People used to battle for pride and bragging rights, whereas now they're just battling for income. And the new aspirants who're battling for pride aren't very talented, partly because they never had to come up as freestylers, so the new generation have had it too easy.

Battlers also aren't as susceptible to criticism any more, partly because there are SO many battlers to criticize now, and so many battles and vlogs getting distributed everyday, so it's easy to escape or not notice resistance, and that will make battlers more complacent and less desperate to impress.

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What all these new guys seem to be lacking is flow.. They seem to think that they don't need to actually rap anymore
A lot of them can flow well enough. The problem is that most of them are so unthoughtful and ignorant they don't realize that you can write about other stuff besides word-play.

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Maybe its you not actually watching the battles make you miss some new talent.
THere's allot more to sift through but they're still great battles
Name the "great battles" we are missing? Classics aren't just dwindling as a percentage, there just aren't as many of them numerically.

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i think besides really unique, but not forced or cringey unique people the only other way i would gain more interest again (right now i might watch a new battle every few months outside of like i said friends, live, or the odd few favs) is if there were heavy changes to format. i dont have a good suggestion either. and most experiments fail. i even wouldnt mind 90 second rounds i think, i would probably be way more into that for -most- battles.
I think the leagues should revive battles over beats, BUT in a very organized fashion, no more of this drunken freestyling over instrumentals during some sort of after-party, it should be pre-mediated and carefully strategized like a headlining battle.

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People need to start embracing a wide range of different styles and approaches like in the heydays of GT.

Battle rappers feel like they have to conform to popular trends. This used to be something that 2nd rate clones did. Now the best battlers in the world are afraid to have their own style.

There are still some outliers clinging to their originality, but more and more everyone is starting to sound the same.

It's even worse with newcomers where there's maybe 3~4 (pushing it) that actually stand out from the crowd in any meaningful regard. The rest are maybe good for one battle where they have some nice punchlines (usually punchlines as its the current widely accepted form of being nice) but then fail to repeat that success because they have no substance or to fall back on.

KOTD fresh coast continuing to gain prominence is the only way I can see battle rap getting interesting again, the URL scene is too caught up with its narrow minded concept of "bars" to allow anything truly special to come about.

When the biggest league out that is considered the pinnacle of achievement, and where every battler wants to end up, has such stylistic limitations associated with it (true or untrue) then of course everyone is gonna play it safe and stay within that framework.

If I hear another rapper say "that's wordplay!" proudly after some dull ass redundant scheme I might spontaneously combust.
damn that shit about the top battlers following the main trend is spot on
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A lot of them can flow well enough. The problem is that most of them are so unthoughtful and ignorant they don't realize that you can write about other stuff besides word-play.
Honestly no they can't... Especially not Danny Myers, I don't know how you can watch a Danny Myers battle and say he can flow.. His bars are sooo drawn out to the point its not even rapping anymore.
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Honestly no they can't... Especially not Danny Myers, I don't know how you can watch a Danny Myers battle and say he can flow.. His bars are sooo drawn out to the point its not even rapping anymore.
I agree Danny Myers has delivery inadaquacies. But my primary complaint about Danny Myers is his refusal to develop personals. But guys like Rum Nitty, Sno, Ty Law can all flow well enough for acapella battles, but they also don't rap about extraordinary concepts or really challenge their opponents back-ground, home towns, history, upbringing? BTW I am fan of Ty Law, and I find Sno very watchable.
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thats it for me... im done as of todays date... now notice rhat i did not say i was gonna quit posting... i said im done "watching" battles... i still have a lot of great knowledge to share with new fans and many un finished discussions about the classics... im far from done "posting"...

problem is that i freeze up these days... every time i go to watch a battle i get to the youtube screen... and then i just freeze for like a few minutes usually... i cant get myself to hit the play button... and the few tines that i did maje it past that point lately... i still exited back out in less than a half round and start looking at shoes or other shit online... its just not in me anymore... i cant do it

with that said... we have an important issue to dicuss... the question of discussion for this thread is as follows...

"whats up with the lack of new talent in battle rap?

discuss
You have ADHD. You don't even really like battle rap. You just click around the forums cause it's like crack for you. I'm the same way. I can't even watch movies or tv shows anymore without wanting to turn it off and look at something else.
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i heard this kid is like otbva's b!tch

how tragic... being the bitch of a little kids forum
I don't do otbva..

Willy if your tryna hurt my feelings you are gonna have to do better then that...
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Yup.

I said this in a topic recently, and Drect was saying the same shit on Battle Rap Arena the other day.

Not only do people put themselves out there too much, but they destroy any potential rematch. Giving one dude 20 minutes to insult his opponent takes away material from the next 3 opponents and anything you could have said in a rematch has already been said by you. Or the next 3 dudes.

I'd rather see one dude get paid and have 3-4 short battles from that 1 check than take 1 hour long battle and make the same amount.

All these new guys need to switch over to short rounds and adapt their styles to work better in short rounds.

The current established names have already fucked themselves by taking so many long battles but the new guys can do something about it before we've heard everything there is to be said about them.
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To be honest I barely enjoy watching battles anymore. Shit is pretty played out.
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Are you saying you're not gonna watch Magic VS Rum Nitty? Bender VS Big T? Bigg K vs Saurus?

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Willy willy willy..

I make you my bitch every thread you start..
Why go to otbva when all my bitches here?

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Battlers have to stop aspiring to URL street rappers. Ars, Calicoe, Hollow etc are all great, but they're not constantly switching lanes like Saurus, Charron and a lot of other KOTD dudes. I swear even UK rappers are dropping gun bars now (and not always ironically) - shouldn't they use knife bars? Either way, URL need not be seen as the pinnacle of battle rap. There are a lot of dope non-URL style battles which are more fun and less about click-clacking toasters and making bread.

If people don't stay in their lanes and stop joining every single bandwagon, battle rap will stagnate. That's why I'm so hyped about Caustic vs Verb cause it's a style clash where the white dude won't (hopefully) suddenly be letting the machete spray. Also, I miss Hollohan battles, when's Hollohan-Arsonal gonna go down? People just have to stick to what they're good at; which more often than not (at least in KOTD) is not gun bars/gang shit.
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If people don't stay in their lanes and stop joining every single bandwagon, battle rap will stagnate. That's why I'm so hyped about Caustic vs Verb cause it's a style clash where the white dude won't (hopefully) suddenly be letting the machete spray.
Caustic been rapping about guns though...

Plus he's one of the only battlers to have a real gun charge iirc
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Old 04-17-2014, 10:30 PM   #36
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dont do it, the world will explode.
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Tbh ppl like this guy have made supporting battle rap hard....

No matter how good someone does, people like this no life will never give up to try and force his opinions on everyone else and change their outlook.

It's sad really...to waste your life lying and forcing people to think like you.
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I quit watching basketball but I'm still going to sit at the bar everyday and talk about Jordan and Magic. Fuck right off. Say that shit at any sports bar and get laughed at. Shit is no different just cause this is the internet. You are a fool.
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I quit watching basketball but I'm still going to sit at the bar everyday and talk about Jordan and Magic. Fuck right off. Say that shit at any sports bar and get laughed at. Shit is no different just cause this is the internet. You are a fool.
grrrrrrrrr..... such a mean post tuff guy... lmfao
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i get the feeling this is the same way people are starting to feel about your threads
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