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Rise and fall of grindtime

So im looking for some videos on the fall of grind time Ive found 2 so far from Thesaurus and directs perspective, Has anyone seen any videos were lush or mad illz speak on it in detail? ill link the 2 ive found. Thanks guys.

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If you are interested in the 'rise' part, check out the Ruin Your Day videos, especially the ones in the middle. MOstly Lush One speaking about how the whole Grindtime movement rose up.

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So im looking for some videos on the fall of grind time Ive found 2 so far from Thesaurus and directs perspective, Has anyone seen any videos were lush or mad illz speak on it in detail? ill link the 2 ive found. Thanks guys.
Madd Illz will never speak on it in detail because Madd Illz still vehemently denies that GrindTime ever "fell" in the first place

Check his FB, it's really delusional

"2 days ago, I finished writing my lyrical masterpiece. It took almost 5 months to complete. This piece means a lot to me and I am glad it lined up how I dreamed it would be. It was a true test of my writing capabilities.
It won't be on an album or in a book. I won't recite it or show anyone. This is for me to enjoy because only I can truly appreciate out doing myself."



"Often, I get slammed by trolls or battle fans who just don't give a fuck about the culture. If you are happy with the circus that is out today, then pay no attention to what I write. More corporations are starting to get involved and these big productions with staged fights and unruly battle rappers is exactly why I say there is a COMMERCIAL BATTLE RAP and UNDERGROUND BATTLE RAP now.
Grind Time Now is UNDERGROUND BATTLE RAP. Grind Time Now is the Original. Grind Time Now is STILL a movement and nobody is hanging anything up."


"I run Grind Time Now in a market that is not a large music industry contender. You want to criticize me for running my company from Orlando and compare it to people in Los Angeles, the Bay, New York and other areas, go ahead. I am flattered that you MUST mention me amongst easier markets to tap into talent and fans from. Think I am crazy? Just look at the ticket prices to get into battles in those cities vs everywhere else. You just cannot expect to carry over the same prices in different markets."

"1. Did we not forget what the fuck battling is for anyway? It's not for a Youtube view. If you are a battle emcee, it is because you have a passion for it. It allows the emcee to strengthen SO MANY different aspects of their life, including being a great confidence builder. Scientifically speaking, Battling induces the release of healthy chemicals in our brains that help with cognitive thinking skils but now...I am getting over certain heads."



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Scientifically speaking, Battling induces the release of healthy chemicals in our brains that help with cognitive thinking skils but now...I am getting over certain heads.
Madd Illz about to be published in a peer reviewed journal any day now
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Yeah. Constantly having Million-view battles to barely cracking 6k in the last 7 months has everything to do with your market. *sigh*.
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Back when it happened Battle Rap Arena did a series of interviews with all of them.

Illz, DRect, Lush, Kap all spoke on it.
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Yeah. Constantly having Million-view battles to barely cracking 6k in the last 7 months has everything to do with your market. *sigh*.
Well, in a sense, he's right. If KOTD just focused narrowly on Canadian talent or even more narrowly on local talent around Toronto/Calgary/Vancouver, it would be much tougher for them to get views.

Madd Illz essentially turned Grind Time into Ground Zero, with all the pros and cons that come along with that.
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I've been lobbying for years for @AVOCADO to start a crowdfund to kick off the doc. It'd be great.
This would be dope! get a bunch of west coast cats to speak on it lush direct mad illz surprised @Luke hasn't made something similar yet
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There were interviews with Lush and Illz on HipHop DX awhile back and Drect posted his own blog when he left. That might give you a better idea of things, but really only the people involved know the full story. Issues with GrizzleMania 2 seemed to put the nail in the coffin. I think all involved would agree that just blowing up too quick while treating it like a hobby with friends contributed to their fall out. Blame it on money. There was a lot of weird shit that went on cause of money. Everything from copyright/trademark infringement claims, taking over the domain name, and even FilmOn getting unbranded early West coast footage. If Avocado gave his side, it would fill in some gaps with who was actually employing and not paying him like Drect claimed.

http://hiphopdx.com/interviews/id.20...-time-mad-illz
http://hiphopdx.com/interviews/id.20...lush-one-drect
http://drect.blogspot.com/2012/01/le...rind-time.html

I never understood all the hate directed towards Illz and GT. Sure, the league fell off, but why hate on Illz for continuing something he genuinely loves? I've had the opportunity to work with Illz and most recently Lush. I would have sponsored the "Bad Blood" battle between them, but it never happened. I can tell you both don't do this for views or money and just do it cause they love it. Take it as a learning experience. I heard Illz has has something big in the works for battle rap in 2016 too. We'll see what happens.
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Towards the very end it was just Pen, us (the DMV) Atlanta, Upstate, and Florida left...

The end game for those involved was when we were down in Orlando for DMV vs FL "reality show" we did... Respect to Illz but during a meeting we had I suggested he fallback to behind the scenes, make Pen the face of GT as he was so respected etc... Illz being the last one left, didn't want to do that... So the plan after that event was the DMV, ATL etc was gonna drop battles under the Poison Pen tv umbrella...

Our last battle to drop on GT was Uno Lavoz vs Jonny Storm... My one regret leaving GT when we did... Was not dropping Ty Law vs Anymal on the channel... After the fallout with Pro'Verb vs Anymal... And after the history they had... It would've blown Ty Law up earlier... We ended up dropping that battle on Philly Swain's channel... The rest of the battles I dropped on my SupaNova Battles channel before I even had a first event...

KG the Poet vs T2 Good
Kev Money vs Mark the Manager
Lexx Luther vs The Author
3PFD vs LSP

Kinda sad seeing what GT has become... GT falling off, I feel contributed to the over saturation of battle rap, because it showed you could regionalize it...I need to go back and watch some of the classics on the channel again...
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Madd Illz will never speak on it in detail because Madd Illz still vehemently denies that GrindTime ever "fell" in the first place

Check his FB, it's really delusional

"2 days ago, I finished writing my lyrical masterpiece. It took almost 5 months to complete. This piece means a lot to me and I am glad it lined up how I dreamed it would be. It was a true test of my writing capabilities.
It won't be on an album or in a book. I won't recite it or show anyone. This is for me to enjoy because only I can truly appreciate out doing myself."



"Often, I get slammed by trolls or battle fans who just don't give a fuck about the culture. If you are happy with the circus that is out today, then pay no attention to what I write. More corporations are starting to get involved and these big productions with staged fights and unruly battle rappers is exactly why I say there is a COMMERCIAL BATTLE RAP and UNDERGROUND BATTLE RAP now.
Grind Time Now is UNDERGROUND BATTLE RAP. Grind Time Now is the Original. Grind Time Now is STILL a movement and nobody is hanging anything up."


"I run Grind Time Now in a market that is not a large music industry contender. You want to criticize me for running my company from Orlando and compare it to people in Los Angeles, the Bay, New York and other areas, go ahead. I am flattered that you MUST mention me amongst easier markets to tap into talent and fans from. Think I am crazy? Just look at the ticket prices to get into battles in those cities vs everywhere else. You just cannot expect to carry over the same prices in different markets."

"1. Did we not forget what the fuck battling is for anyway? It's not for a Youtube view. If you are a battle emcee, it is because you have a passion for it. It allows the emcee to strengthen SO MANY different aspects of their life, including being a great confidence builder. Scientifically speaking, Battling induces the release of healthy chemicals in our brains that help with cognitive thinking skils but now...I am getting over certain heads."



Sheesh.....
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Madd Illz will never speak on it in detail because Madd Illz still vehemently denies that GrindTime ever "fell" in the first place

Check his FB, it's really delusional

"2 days ago, I finished writing my lyrical masterpiece. It took almost 5 months to complete. This piece means a lot to me and I am glad it lined up how I dreamed it would be. It was a true test of my writing capabilities.
It won't be on an album or in a book. I won't recite it or show anyone. This is for me to enjoy because only I can truly appreciate out doing myself."



"Often, I get slammed by trolls or battle fans who just don't give a fuck about the culture. If you are happy with the circus that is out today, then pay no attention to what I write. More corporations are starting to get involved and these big productions with staged fights and unruly battle rappers is exactly why I say there is a COMMERCIAL BATTLE RAP and UNDERGROUND BATTLE RAP now.
Grind Time Now is UNDERGROUND BATTLE RAP. Grind Time Now is the Original. Grind Time Now is STILL a movement and nobody is hanging anything up."


"I run Grind Time Now in a market that is not a large music industry contender. You want to criticize me for running my company from Orlando and compare it to people in Los Angeles, the Bay, New York and other areas, go ahead. I am flattered that you MUST mention me amongst easier markets to tap into talent and fans from. Think I am crazy? Just look at the ticket prices to get into battles in those cities vs everywhere else. You just cannot expect to carry over the same prices in different markets."

"1. Did we not forget what the fuck battling is for anyway? It's not for a Youtube view. If you are a battle emcee, it is because you have a passion for it. It allows the emcee to strengthen SO MANY different aspects of their life, including being a great confidence builder. Scientifically speaking, Battling induces the release of healthy chemicals in our brains that help with cognitive thinking skils but now...I am getting over certain heads."



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I feel bad for Madd Illz as I feel he got thrown under the bus and the other two somehow were able to convince everyone that everything good in GT was them while everything bad in GT was mad illz

That never made sense to me so I never believed it accurate

I think it was 3 people who got big to fast and made some bad decisions amongst them. Not just Mad Illz
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what happened to Grindtime exactly, I know there was some kind of falling out between the business partners or whatever, but how are they unable to replicate a fraction of thier old numbers under the same youtube channel. They have 130k+ subscribers and get >10k veiws on most recent battles. meanwhile RBE and Gorilla WareFare have like 1/4 of the subscribers and get 100 k + on a lot of their battles. Is it literally just the fact they don't book anybody with a fanbase.. I just don't understand how have become as small as they have
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Towards the very end it was just Pen, us (the DMV) Atlanta, Upstate, and Florida left...

The end game for those involved was when we were down in Orlando for DMV vs FL "reality show" we did... Respect to Illz but during a meeting we had I suggested he fallback to behind the scenes, make Pen the face of GT as he was so respected etc... Illz being the last one left, didn't want to do that... So the plan after that event was the DMV, ATL etc was gonna drop battles under the Poison Pen tv umbrella...

Our last battle to drop on GT was Uno Lavoz vs Jonny Storm... My one regret leaving GT when we did... Was not dropping Ty Law vs Anymal on the channel... After the fallout with Pro'Verb vs Anymal... And after the history they had... It would've blown Ty Law up earlier... We ended up dropping that battle on Philly Swain's channel... The rest of the battles I dropped on my SupaNova Battles channel before I even had a first event...

KG the Poet vs T2 Good
Kev Money vs Mark the Manager
Lexx Luther vs The Author
3PFD vs LSP

Kinda sad seeing what GT has become... GT falling off, I feel contributed to the over saturation of battle rap, because it showed you could regionalize it...I need to go back and watch some of the classics on the channel again...
yea man, it was sad to see things end. GT was certainly the funnest time in battle rap for me. I had a blast seeing where battling took off during that era.

Things happen for a reason. I'm glad folks have learned from that experience and have moved on to remodel their league or to realize what not to do in order to avoid the same pitfalls.
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Well, in a sense, he's right. If KOTD just focused narrowly on Canadian talent or even more narrowly on local talent around Toronto/Calgary/Vancouver, it would be much tougher for them to get views.

Madd Illz essentially turned Grind Time into Ground Zero, with all the pros and cons that come along with that.
Is that by design.. or do they just lack the fund to bring top level talent over? That's what confuses me all those subscribers, the history, just the name grindtime now Im supprised that doesn't bring in atleast a little bit more veiwership than they seem to be getting. Is it simply a matter of getting big names to battle over there or are they trying to build their own talent
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So basically it sounds like the other divisions were upset because they were putting on the battles that were really getting views and subscribers (the west and the east) but Mad Illz, from the Florida division was pretty much keeping the money for himself then, is this correct?

As a fan for me it was just the quality control. It went from looking forward to the newest GT battle being posted to being horribly disappointed each time. Like when GT released some shit, I always watched, even if the person was a nobody but half the time there were gems out there. At some point that really changed though, in particular when they started adding awful divisions like Grind Time Minneapolis, and the shit was on the main page for what felt like a month. Lack of quality control I think ruined it for a lot of fans.
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I can definitely see @AVOCADO and @Drect making a huge documentary not only about GT but about battle rap in general. From the Smack DVD and Blaze Battles era, through the Scribble Days, GT and Elements League to where is at now.

The most influencial characters are still around for interviews, there must be tons of behind the sceenes footage and will be a great look for the culture and everyone involved.
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I can definitely see @AVOCADO and @Drect making a huge documentary not only about GT but about battle rap in general. From the Smack DVD and Blaze Battles era, through the Scribble Days, GT and Elements League to where is at now.

The most influencial characters are still around for interviews, there must be tons of behind the sceenes footage and will be a great look for the culture and everyone involved.


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I've bought it years ago and its sick. But its focused exclusively on the west coast.

Based on that they done here, it's safe to say that one about battling in general telling how it all evolved would be amazing.
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There is a lot of shit that went down that I don't think needs to be aired out at this point.

But to be as succinct as possible it was never operating as one organization there was literally factions that took competing with each other to a self-destructive point. Division to division and even in some cases like in my division even within the division itself.
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For real , so many fans talk about it / compare it , like its a fortune 500 company or some shit
Grindtime was a bunch of 22 to 26 yr olds that have never been in any situation close to being part of running a company let alone at the top of one

not to mention in a "real" company your "chair holders" and "employees" aren't gonna be party heads, no degree having cats & high school dropouts

and big entertainment company heads aren't gonna be directly dealing with the artist, who other than in the music industry , aren't gonna be "weed heads' & druggies (the companies that do have designated people for that who's whole job is being the middle man)

not to mention this is hip hop so there's a bunch of thugs or wanna be thugs , so your swimming in a swimming pool (that you built) full of snakes. With nothing or no one set in place to be a filter to the BS & rectify situations before they escalate

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