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Old 06-23-2016, 02:46 AM   #1
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No Coast Title Match -- XQZ vs Isaac Knox

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XQZ unloaded on Knoxx. I like the angles and jokes and making great points. He made to where it doesn't haven't to sound complex but still keeping everyone all ears. Something about XQZ... A lot of Rare Talent. The judges did vote for XQZ and I think it's because his likeability too. Dope battle.
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Close battle, but Isaac was just rapping on without really battling. XQZ was the right choice.
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XQZ hands down the best in No Coast, why'd he never go to KOTD.
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XQZ hands down the best in No Coast, why'd he never go to KOTD.
Timing mostly. He did do a don't flop battle ages ago but definitely needs a plate. I think you might see him there soon.

He killed the Royal Rumble we just had as well!
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Timing mostly. He did do a don't flop battle ages ago but definitely needs a plate. I think you might see him there soon.

He killed the Royal Rumble we just had as well!
yeah man, his Matter battle was my introduction to him and No Coast, last time i saw that battle was under 10,000, criminal.
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yeah man, his Matter battle was my introduction to him and No Coast, last time i saw that battle was under 10,000, criminal.
XQZ might be the most under viewed battler of all time tbh.
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XQZ is a monster- perfect approach, near-flawless execution. Isaac Knox, while very talented, just couldn't deliver that same sting with his material.
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xqz is the only battler i will watch on an independent league, point blank

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Knox is an absolute monster. Shouts to him getting a J. Walter Weatherman bar off before I could use mine in a battle haha. Both these dudes need big looks stat, just getting into X's first, but he's been flames as well
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XQZ underviewed because he only battles for one leagues i didn't even know he existed till this year he wwas cooking here though isaac last few matches been losses in my eyes not that it really matters
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Really good battle. XQZ had a great flip in the 3rd to kind of offset Isaac's ridiculous third round that had so many quotables. Was insane all around. I like XQZ because he's like that boxer that just stands there and keeps punching the whole time. Just doesn't stop and hits every time. Judges were all on point. Real fun battle all around. Glad they are both doing their thing. Thanks for the entertainment fellas.
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100% cosign XQZ being most underviewed. I've been a long time advocate of his on here.

As far as the results for this battle, it has certainly been on my mind far more than any battle I've been in. I've never cared about losing a battle before (and I've lost a lot, as my 1st round alluded to)

I'm undeniably biased, but thought this was one of the few battles of mine that, for my taste, I didn't think was close and was in my favor. So to see that the respectable judges & seasoned fans all prefer X's approach has been tough.

I knew I was battling one of the best writers in battle rap & I set the goal of writing my densest, most layered 3 rounds ever. Every time I had more relatable stuff, I cut it. Overly conceptual angles, I cut it. Fun, easy listening stuff, I cut it. Even deeply personal angles I cut in favor of more complex bars. I made sure that I had the most wordplay per minute (by far) of any battle I've done or seen, and I felt that I did that. I'M NOT SAYING THAT PEOPLE DIDN'T GET ANYTHING, I know people understood what I was doing, but I'm saying I impressed myself more than I ever had and cut anything that was more similar to X's material because I felt it was too easy & not worthy of battling such a talented writer.

Because of my writing approach, I depended on freestyles to try winning the room. I immediately responded to his "trap" of daring me to swear, threw in some mid-round flips, & made sure to have one funny & one serious rebuttal in each applicable round. XQZ is a good freestyler but not even he thought anyone would consider his "sunglasses" scheme to be off the top (it was his best bar tho) lol.

XQZ was great but, as a fan of his, I thought he took a relatively easy route by his standards. I totally agree that it's tough to write such effective & clever simplicity (I mean that as a high compliment), but he normally fits it all into higher difficulty patterns. Where my bias reeeeally is shown though, is that his personals seemed weak to me since his descriptions of my work at Disney/Universal made it abundantly clear that he doesn't know how my job works. I concede that accuracy doesn't really matter in battles tho.

ALL that whiny explanation to say... It's a very weird feeling to meet & exceed my objective but see that my goal was flawed from the start because of the direction battle rap is going.

TLDR: I'm a salty cracker that seems to have gone stale.

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I knew I was battling one of the best writers in battle rap & I set the goal of writing my densest, most layered 3 rounds ever. Every time I had more relatable stuff, I cut it. Overly conceptual angles, I cut it. Fun, easy listening stuff, I cut it. Even deeply personal angles I cut in favor of more complex bars. I made sure that I had the most wordplay per minute (by far) of any battle I've done or seen, and I felt that I did that. I'M NOT SAYING THAT PEOPLE DIDN'T GET ANYTHING, I know people understood what I was doing, but I'm saying I impressed myself more than I ever had and cut anything that was more similar to X's material because I felt it was too easy & not worthy of battling such a talented writer.
I think that's the problem there... a lot of the material sounded like complexity for complexity's sake. when you overemphasize technical, wordplay-based writing you skimp on the details of showmanship, humor, substance, etc.

not saying you didn't have any of those things, but it gets washed away when you're sifting through wordplay after wordplay

you were dope tho this was a great battle
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yes and remember 2 years ago on battle addict XQZ vs Detour? XQZ killed that shit.
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@Isaac Knox I mean you took a loss but it was a respectable loss thoa. You was doing your thing but XQZ had a game plan with no intention of losing. The fans didn't seem disappointed in you two thoa. No slip ups or chokes or horse play.
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ALL that whiny explanation to say... It's a very weird feeling to meet & exceed my objective but see that my goal was flawed from the start because of the direction battle rap is going.

TLDR: I'm a salty cracker that seems to have gone stale.
Not sure what era you are referencing, but Battle Rap has always been about breaking the other guy down. I enjoyed your rounds, but you were 'rhyming for the sake or riddling' for the most part. Jokes and personals don't have to be simple.

The fact that you even suggest Xqz needed to be 100% percent accurate about your job and that you cut out material that you liked because you thought it was beneath you suggests that you need to rethink your approach as you aren't being yourself, you're trying to be what everyone else wants.

I voted for XQZ because he had more. He mixed approaches and styles far more effectively.
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Not sure what era you are referencing, but Battle Rap has always been about breaking the other guy down. I enjoyed your rounds, but you were 'rhyming for the sake or riddling' for the most part. Jokes and personals don't have to be simple.

The fact that you even suggest Xqz needed to be 100% percent accurate about your job and that you cut out material that you liked because you thought it was beneath you suggests that you need to rethink your approach as you aren't being yourself, you're trying to be what everyone else wants.
Oddly enough I feel that I wrote TOO much for myself, and completely disregarded what anyone else would want.

But yeah I don't want to harp on this but it's not like either side wrote anything that was inspired for a non-specific opponent. Even my non-direct stuff was based in something that was only for XQZ. You're right that I could consider rethinking my approach, but it wouldn't be me. I never said I cut stuff I liked (although it wasn't bad), I cut stuff that didn't impress me.

My friends tell me all the time how much they like my old battles & sadly I'll never battle like I did in those again because I want to get better. Unfortunately, me pushing my own limits gives me material that doesn't connect with ppl. Just a random observation.
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100% cosign XQZ being most underviewed. I've been a long time advocate of his on here.

As far as the results for this battle, it has certainly been on my mind far more than any battle I've been in. I've never cared about losing a battle before (and I've lost a lot, as my 1st round alluded to)

I'm undeniably biased, but thought this was one of the few battles of mine that, for my taste, I didn't think was close and was in my favor. So to see that the respectable judges & seasoned fans all prefer X's approach has been tough.

I knew I was battling one of the best writers in battle rap & I set the goal of writing my densest, most layered 3 rounds ever. Every time I had more relatable stuff, I cut it. Overly conceptual angles, I cut it. Fun, easy listening stuff, I cut it. Even deeply personal angles I cut in favor of more complex bars. I made sure that I had the most wordplay per minute (by far) of any battle I've done or seen, and I felt that I did that. I'M NOT SAYING THAT PEOPLE DIDN'T GET ANYTHING, I know people understood what I was doing, but I'm saying I impressed myself more than I ever had and cut anything that was more similar to X's material because I felt it was too easy & not worthy of battling such a talented writer.

Because of my writing approach, I depended on freestyles to try winning the room. I immediately responded to his "trap" of daring me to swear, threw in some mid-round flips, & made sure to have one funny & one serious rebuttal in each applicable round. XQZ is a good freestyler but not even he thought anyone would consider his "sunglasses" scheme to be off the top (it was his best bar tho) lol.

XQZ was great but, as a fan of his, I thought he took a relatively easy route by his standards. I totally agree that it's tough to write such effective & clever simplicity (I mean that as a high compliment), but he normally fits it all into higher difficulty patterns. Where my bias reeeeally is shown though, is that his personals seemed weak to me since his descriptions of my work at Disney/Universal made it abundantly clear that he doesn't know how my job works. I concede that accuracy doesn't really matter in battles tho.

ALL that whiny explanation to say... It's a very weird feeling to meet & exceed my objective but see that my goal was flawed from the start because of the direction battle rap is going.

TLDR: I'm a salty cracker that seems to have gone stale.
Admittedly, I'm even a bit surprised at just how one sided the feedback has been, even from neutral third parties such as the judges and this forum.

youre right about a lot of stuff but also picking some pretty weird things to nitpick.

those definitely weren't the three best rounds I've ever written. But there was a tactic behind it and it wasn't simply "dumb it down and take the easy route."

I knew there was no way I'd be able to "out write" you in the sense of wordplay, schemes, etc. maybe there was a time where I could have, but thats just not something that motivates me as much when it comes to battle rap; the battles I enjoy the most are ones where I have the crowd consistently laughing. Now, you're saying that's the direction battle rap's heading which I disagree with - most fans are all about "bars."

I guess what I was hoping to pull off in this battle was a bit of a "rope a dope". I knew you'd have these long build ups to haymakers and you probably expected that from me. Instead I did a lot of smaller jabs, simpler than i usually do but still effective. To be honest, I didn't know if it would work or totally understand why it did. all I'm saying is, you've seen how I write and adjust to each opponent, and this was the approach I felt would work against you.

As far as the angles about your job not being accurate, idk what to tell you man. I lost a battle once cuz my opponents best line was about me fucking a bagel which clearly didn't happen (yet). I wrote some lines I thought were funny and they worked.

As far as the 3rd round fip, that line was supposed to go in my 2nd and I forgot it so I put it at the start of my 3rd. Again, I don't think it really affected the outcome. People know I'm usually not one to freestyle in written battles.

Idk man, I'm sorry you feel like you were robbed, I get where you're coming from and I've been there. I still have trouble figuring out what battle fans will like but I know I've had better results from my funny one liners than my complex schemes, I think because that fits better with my personality in real life.

I wouldn't change anything you do tho man, battling really is just about making whatever point you want to and it sounds like we both did. Plenty of people will probably prefer your rounds, I just won in the decision makers' eyes on this one.
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Man you took a great approach & I'm trying not to throw shade your way. I was just looking forward to the pen game matchup that was years in the making so my reaction has a lot to do with wishing we'd both decided to rise to that challenge instead of playing chess. No doubt you took the better angles for a regular battle setting and I thought that in a title match, specifically one involving the two of us, it should just be about rap (obviously opponent-focused tho).

I've done lots of character assassinations, experimental angles, fan service, & clowning... So I was excited to have a matchup where I wasn't supposed to need those, and was wrong. I brought a sword to a gas chamber lol

And I only shared my thoughts on here cuz I don't battle as often as I used to so, when I do, I wanna be transparent & interactive with the fans... Even when it's not a great look. In my head, I blame corny wordplay rappers that have made everyone rebel from that style & I blame the negative Christian stereotypes that make me subconsciously unlikable to people who don't know me haha. (It's none of those fault)

On the bright side, Fb comments have taught me what the PG shuffle is. #imoutoftouch
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Thought this was a lot closer than most people are acting.

Good showing from both
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Still can't call it, and glad I didn't have to

Really interesting to see people talking honestly about their approach in a high stakes match and how it worked out. Wouldn't mind more of that sort of thing.
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After watching again I must say that XQZ's Disney scheme in the 2nd is much better than I originally thought. Mostly punches and all in the same rhyme scheme. Not easy to do that while keeping to a theme.

And after all this post-battle discussion... Long live the king.

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X is just so good at taking what doesn't seem like a complex angle and hitting clever punch after clever punch. Issac, you are overthinking it man. Battle rap is fun.
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That moment when you realize that this thread has more views than the battle does... and this thread doesn't have a lot of views.

Bump for X's 2nd round, the fainting audience member, rebuttals, & my closing math scheme!


Sidenote- Despite my poorly expressed frustrations (that are specific to this emcee matchup, not necessarily all battles), XQZ is a monster & I think No Coast should have Mosh Jelton vs Reverse Live as a top contenders match. I was expecting to defend vs Reverse if I took the title tbh.

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As someone who was one of the founders of Team "URL!" on this site, I just wanna say that this is one of my favorite battles of the year and both of you always deliver with top notch performances. #salute
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