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Old 08-05-2016, 01:55 PM   #1
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What the hell is going on with Don't Flop?

It seems like not too long ago, we were all talking about how DF was on the rise, especially after how great Don't Flop USA has been. Now it seems like all of a sudden people are saying the league's dying. Apparently Cruger and Bagnall have left for UNILAD? You've got dedicated staff like Bamalam quitting. And apparently fans haven't been thrilled with the latest UK cards. What's going on? Is this actually the beginning of the end like folks are saying, or is this just another case of battle rap fans exaggerating?

I guess the writing has sort of been on the walls. People have long criticized Eurgh for bad business, and he hasn't carried himself in a way that best represents the league. But I guess I just assumed things were ok.
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Oshea only has 2 solo DF battles in a year or so
Dont Flop is fucked without him
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UNILAD? Is that some sort of cult
Bamalam is a non factor to me honestly bruv
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UNILAD? Is that some sort of cult
Bamalam is a non factor to me honestly bruv
UNILAD is basically the British Buzzfeed.

And I only mention Bam because someone posted one of his Facebook posts in here and it seemed pretty damning.
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hate how the british say the word battle


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Lol they left for unilad? That whole ladbible/unilad thing is beyond shit.
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I had no idea any of this shit was happening until that thread yesterday. I know they had that hiccup with the whole channel being taken off YouTube for a minute by mistake, but other than that, this is a surprise. I thought the last DFUSA event was dope and just assumed they were putting the next big card together.

But Cruger leaving. Damn. That stings. Especially for a LadBible affiliate.
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Yeah but they probably actually get paid there.
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Eurgh has always been doing pretty bad business. Doesn't seem like he's every wanted much to do with paying his local talent. Even the top tier out there (ie. Shotty) took shots at him for wasting all the money on top tier American talent who no show. I'm sure most of the mid tier international talent was fine with just the flight and hotel/some spending money since it's a chance to see England, but that allure wears off pretty quick.

When was the last good DF event? Not including DFUSA since Eurgh doesn't seem to have much to do with that business wise.
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can I get a link for that thread about bamalams fb post?

safe to say mfers just wasnt making enough gwop, and tbh these dudes were kinda young i mean crugers around my age- early 20s, he was a young teen when he was first spotted on those wrc tapes and when he first started battling.. they had to make adult decisions i mean to make df as popular as it was for how young they were is amazing but obi these guys arent business geniuses- i mean eurgh went from practicing freestyle multis with arkaic in his bedroom at his moms house to being host of a league with no real business education in between..

they only seemed on the rise because of the df usa stuff tho before that they were defo on the decline with shotty kinda folding, lunar c's comeback being lukewarm, the oshea novelty diminishing.. the only british thing keeping them together was shufflo but they have 0 competition and since they wont battle thesaurus illmac or juce and wapps they're kinda weak to me now. shuffles a delight but he can only keep it up for so long imo
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Having a rap name like Eurgh seems stupid to me.
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can I get a link for that thread about bamalams fb post?

safe to say mfers just wasnt making enough gwop, and tbh these dudes were kinda young i mean crugers around my age- early 20s, he was a young teen when he was first spotted on those wrc tapes and when he first started battling.. they had to make adult decisions i mean to make df as popular as it was for how young they were is amazing but obi these guys are business geniuses- i mean eurgh went from practicing freestyle multis with arkaic in his bedroom at his moms house to being host of a league with no real business education
I mean you don't need the education to figure it out necessarily. But yeah, Eurgh seems like he never really treated it like a business.

Ganik doesn't have a business education either, but he's running KOTD like a legit business.

Compare how they book international battlers...KOTD is setting guys up with legit contracts, proper border documentation, etc. Whereas based on stories that have been told, Eurgh basically tells battlers to just lie and say they're visiting family/friends....then if that doesn't work he just leaves them at the airport.
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Yeah but they probably actually get paid there.


True but man, I'd honestly be embarrassed to say I worked for them.
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Bagnall and cruger work for Unilad but haven't left DF yet I'm pretty sure but yeah they're looking shaky. It's a shame because they've thrown some really good events but they haven't had anything since the 7bw that made me want to go. It's hard to put a specific reason to it but i think it's a mix of lazy matchups, loss of character (the atmosphere at events and the diversity with battlers) and staff fall outs. Bam's post about Sunburn was really on point and it's good to see him say it because the staff have that annoying habit of just dismissing fans concerns or complaints, that's way too prevalent in battle rap. Doesn't help that their main medium for fan opinions is mostly just an echo chamber of mindless dickriders.
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That all being said i do think they'll pull it out of the bag for 8bw but after that we'll see it start to fade out.
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Can you hook up a link to Bamalam's post about sunburn?

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Bagnall and cruger work for Unilad but haven't left DF yet I'm pretty sure but yeah they're looking shaky. It's a shame because they've thrown some really good events but they haven't had anything since the 7bw that made me want to go. It's hard to put a specific reason to it but i think it's a mix of lazy matchups, loss of character (the atmosphere at events and the diversity with battlers) and staff fall outs. Bam's post about Sunburn was really on point and it's good to see him say it because the staff have that annoying habit of just dismissing fans concerns or complaints, that's way too prevalent in battle rap. Doesn't help that their main medium for fan opinions is mostly just an echo chamber of mindless dickriders.
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I mean you don't need the education to figure it out necessarily. But yeah, Eurgh seems like he never really treated it like a business.

Ganik doesn't have a business education either, but he's running KOTD like a legit business.

Compare how they book international battlers...KOTD is setting guys up with legit contracts, proper border documentation, etc. Whereas based on stories that have been told, Eurgh basically tells battlers to just lie and say they're visiting family/friends....then if that doesn't work he just leaves them at the airport.
organik seems a little older/more mature than eurgh and looking at people like bishop brigante and even lush one these guys have actual experience/connections in the entertainment industry which probably helped a lot. even though its easy to diss those guys they actually kinda a lil bit knew what they were doing? it seems like eurgh n them just happened to be british and liked battling so thru geography and liking the same thing it just happened to click. which is actually what I think ppl liked about dont flop- it was almost like a cheeky british sitcom with a colorful cast of characters and friends more so than an actual business enterprise.
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Bagnall and Cruger still do work for Don't Flop...just have other jobs as well.
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Thanks @Gopher D'Gusto for making this thread. It's sad to see DF going under seeing as there up there with KOTD & URL but if they continue there current path they'll be as relevant as grindtime. Who's the Mad Ill in this situation?
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i dunno working for UNILAD seems pretty awesome to me and im really happy to see liam finally stress free and enjoying life and traveling.

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I think Eurgh just really needs to revise the way he deals with people or find someone to deal with the human side of things. They need a Joe silva type to get all that shit done and leave Eurgh to do whatever else.
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It's sad to see something like this happen and gives some credence to Eurgh doing bad business if his main guys are jumping ship. Or it may just be another hustle for these guys and battle rap isn't lucrative to do as a single job. Just a quick look at views and you can easily see the disparity between US video views and UK ones and even focus moving to an Aussie DF card. May have just been a mixture of estranging battlers like Unan and not growing enough popular home talent. It's weird because 7BW and last years Sunburn looked like a great success both view wise and in the venue.
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Liam's an awesome person! I'm glad he's happy, too. The point of this thread isn't to criticize anyone for leaving. It's to figure out what's actually happening.
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Now Eurgh has cancelled @Dank Schrader & @youdontwannabethatguy's battles at Sunburn. It looks like Dank's was cancelled because of his opponent Bard talking shit, which is just hilarious tbh since that was the whole reason the battle was booked in the first place.
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Now Eurgh has cancelled @Dank Schrader & @youdontwannabethatguy's battles at Sunburn. It looks like Dank's was cancelled because of his opponent Bard talking shit, which is just hilarious tbh since that was the whole reason the battle was booked in the first place.
Battler rappers talking shit before a battle? That's unheard of! How dare they!
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I'm a brit and got sick of watching these shit battlers like Danny Jaqq who seem to get a shit load of battles for being a part of Eurgh's clique.

I could be wrong but once people like that Callum guy started to get involved and pretentious battlers like Heretic were being hailed as great it seemed to go down hill.

I barely watch df which is a shame because they got me into battling.

Thanks for making this thread. I'm a long time lurker and been wondering when this topic would come up.
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Wait, what's the lineup for Sunburn 3? I can't seem to find it anywhere.
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My battle was cancelled for nothing tbh which is the only reason im annoyed im done with dont flop they're never getting another penny from me
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It's because he slagged off Eurgh but they booked him in the first place because he's a known hater of Don't Flop and Eurgh particularly. It was meant to be like a heel thing.
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My battle was cancelled for nothing tbh which is the only reason im annoyed im done with dont flop they're never getting another penny from me
That fucking sucks man.
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Wait, what's the lineup for Sunburn 3? I can't seem to find it anywhere.

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Wait so is that "Villun" or is "Villain" someone else? Smdh
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@Dank Schrader would've been a top 5 battler on that card
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