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Old 09-10-2016, 04:13 PM   #1
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Organik going from the penthouse to the outhouse because of Youtube's new rule?

In a few days YouTube will no longer monetize certain content. This would seem to have an impact on battle rap.



Here's the complete list of things banned from YouTube content that's eligible for monetization:
  • Sexually suggestive content, including partial nudity and sexual humor
  • Violence, including display of serious injury and events related to violent extremism
  • Inappropriate language, including harassment, profanity and vulgar language
  • Promotion of drugs and regulated substances, including selling, use and abuse of such items
  • Controversial or sensitive subjects and events, including subjects related to war, political conflicts, natural disasters and tragedies, even if graphic imagery is not shown



YouTube warns that "If any of the above describes any portion of your video, then the video may not be approved for monetization. If monetization is approved, your video may not be eligible for all available ad formats. YouTube reserves the right to not monetize a video, as well as suspend monetization features on channels that repeatedly submit videos violating our policies."
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Pretty much all this reads as is, that they are going to be selective on which ad's play on which videos to protect brands that pay for said ad's.

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It's the perfect time for an upcoming company come in with an anything goes video policy, barring pornography. It could totally do what Facebook did to MySpace.
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Pretty much all this reads as is, that they are going to be selective on which ad's play on which videos to protect brands that pay for said ad's.

Makes sense.
I am not sure if you are familiar with the way Youtube has been operating. Youtube is a bit more hack and slash than that. They are simply demonetizing any videos that remotely violate the rules stated above.. Even videos talking about personal experience with depression or rape that are not explicit whatsoever are being demonetized completely. There has been a huge uproar over it in the youtube sphere
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My impression has always been that KOTD actually makes very little money off views and YouTube ads, and that the majority of what they make comes from merch and PPV sales. Obviously it doesn't help, but I don't think this hurts KOTD much financially. I agree with @TheGodOfPez that this is a bad idea for YouTube. Great opportunity Vimeo and Ustream.
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It's the perfect time for an upcoming company come in with an anything goes video policy, barring pornography. It could totally do what Facebook did to MySpace.
There is definitely an opportunity. Problem is, youtube already has facebook level of entrenchment in the internet and the habits of users, I don't think it could ever be dethroned completely, especially when the majority of youtubers would prefer to conform to the rules on youtube and make more ad revenue than try an anything goes site and make less ad revenue
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My impression has always been that KOTD actually makes very little money off views and YouTube ads, and that the majority of what they make comes from merch and PPV sales. Obviously it doesn't help, but I don't think this hurts KOTD much financially. I agree with @TheGodOfPez that this is a bad idea for YouTube. Great opportunity Vimeo and Ustream.
If they're getting 2k for every million views that's about 8-10k a month, almost 100k a year. For KOTD that's a huge amount and I imagine what a lot of the staff live off.
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If they're getting 2k for every million views that's about 8-10k a month, almost 100k a year. For KOTD that's a huge amount and I imagine what a lot of the staff live off.
Bringing up their socialblade shows them only having 2.3 million views the last 30 days which is right around their average since 2013. They would be making 2k a mill on good months but that still is around 5 thousnad. Than you need to take into account they are partnered (pay complex media out) and that different times of the year pay out alot less than the 2k per 1 mill views. They are honestly probably only pulling in around 40k a year off their Youtube.


That being said, this isnt going to affect their channel whatsoever, not they way its implemented now atleast. Youtube lays out all these rules but the truth is they have an algorithm searching titles of peoples videos, so anything with an offensive title can be demonetized. Technically someone could file a claim on any youtube video but as of now youtube itself wont be changing much for kotd.

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I am not sure if you are familiar with the way Youtube has been operating. Youtube is a bit more hack and slash than that. They are simply demonetizing any videos that remotely violate the rules stated above.. Even videos talking about personal experience with depression or rape that are not explicit whatsoever are being demonetized completely. There has been a huge uproar over it in the youtube sphere
Although this is true, its ALOT easier to avoid demonetization than these youtubers are making it seem. They are targeting videos with suicide or rape in the titles, not the context of the video. The algorithm they had in place now is only searching the titles and not the context of the video its self. You could make a video titled my suicide story that was actually just a home vide from '99 that might be demonetized, but label a video christmas '99 and then actually share your suicide story and youtube algorithm would catch it.
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I am not sure if you are familiar with the way Youtube has been operating. Youtube is a bit more hack and slash than that. They are simply demonetizing any videos that remotely violate the rules stated above.. Even videos talking about personal experience with depression or rape that are not explicit whatsoever are being demonetized completely. There has been a huge uproar over it in the youtube sphere
I am actually very familiar.

It's not a bit more hack and slash.

This is a clean-up of trash on youtube, and not channels that have original content with loads of subscribers.

This is why it states:

'If any of the above describes any portion of your video, then the video may not be approved for monetization. If monetization is approved, your video may not be eligible for all available ad formats.'

As far as I know it, from someone that actually just left Youtube/Google, who I went to school with (dude that designed the gear), 'this is not to punish original content, and that is the main goal.'

They do however want to remove the shock value aspects of youtube, so if it's in the title etc, they will demonitize or ask for a change.
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This only really effects videos that SJWs find offensive. That's the entire purpose of the change in their toc

So yeah if SJWs focus on battle rap we're screwed. Otherwise, nah
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the only thing is - this has been in the TOS since 2008 and has been enforced for years (to what extent - only youtube knows), only thing that is different now is creators got notified and can appeal when it happens. 90% of the channels hit so far have been channels that in one way or another make videos that cover controversial/"now news" topics, youtube drama and gamers.

as ledge pointed out - its not aimed at nor will it affect original content creators aka battle leagues.
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It's the perfect time for an upcoming company come in with an anything goes video policy, barring pornography. It could totally do what Facebook did to MySpace.
Wow, non-troll posts from Water Mage lol. Dude is on point, normally he's just hilarious.



I wonder how difficult it would be for a new competitor to work out an ad-sense like system and get it to take off quickly? Since google owns youtube, perhaps they wouldn't let their competitor use adsense and may even go out of their way to try and keep advertisers/sponsors from working with them. I guess it would have to be a big ass well funded company to start with tho, considering the amount of storage needed, so they'd prob be equipped to deal with that I guess. It'll be interesting... Policy changes in the past have made some titanic's sink nearly overnight.
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If u look into it at all there's no new rule at all. The only difference is u tube is actually notifying ppl when their videos arent advert friendly now

It's in the algorithm and it's broken but yea I bet they got hit a bunch for fight tags and stuff (lmao luke I bet all ur vids are flagged)

Literally 0 change so if it didn't hurt battle rap b4 it won't now

Some adverts opt to use even these videos too..they just won't make as much monay

In theory it's great..in practice it's a mess
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I am actually very familiar.

It's not a bit more hack and slash.

This is a clean-up of trash on youtube, and not channels that have original content with loads of subscribers.

This is why it states:

'If any of the above describes any portion of your video, then the video may not be approved for monetization. If monetization is approved, your video may not be eligible for all available ad formats.'

As far as I know it, from someone that actually just left Youtube/Google, who I went to school with (dude that designed the gear), 'this is not to punish original content, and that is the main goal.'

They do however want to remove the shock value aspects of youtube, so if it's in the title etc, they will demonitize or ask for a change.
Oh.. well I am currently doing my Ph.D. in Youtube studies... with a minor in Googology..

What I was referring to is that if they do deem a video unsuitable, they won't match offensive videos with advertisers who don't care about how offensive or unpleasant the content is, they will demonetize it or leave it alone, an all or nothing thing, that's what I meant by "hack and slash"

And yes, many videos are being demonetized because of particular keywords in the titles, but not all of the demonetized videos have keywords in the titles.

If a viewer flagged a KOTD vid because of "homophobic content" I wouldn't be surprised if the video would be demonetized.. It's only a matter of time before advertisements on videos that have men shouting faggot at eachother no longer have advertisements, its really a wonder that its gone on as long as it has been
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It's the perfect time for an upcoming company come in with an anything goes video policy, barring pornography. It could totally do what Facebook did to MySpace.
Wait? We just saw Bonnie Gadiva Dick Check Charron not too long ago. Is organik going to delete the footage now?
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Oh.. well I am currently doing my Ph.D. in Youtube studies... with a minor in Googology..

What I was referring to is that if they do deem a video unsuitable, they won't match offensive videos with advertisers who don't care about how offensive or unpleasant the content is, they will demonetize it or leave it alone, an all or nothing thing, that's what I meant by "hack and slash"

And yes, many videos are being demonetized because of particular keywords in the titles, but not all of the demonetized videos have keywords in the titles.

If a viewer flagged a KOTD vid because of "homophobic content" I wouldn't be surprised if the video would be demonetized.. It's only a matter of time before advertisements on videos that have men shouting faggot at eachother no longer have advertisements, its really a wonder that its gone on as long as it has been
It really is the title and tags

The only way for some1 to report it manually is if some flags it and it gets age restricted which for sum reason battles arent
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And again there has been 0 change 0 0 0 zero except they actually notify u now when it happens. No battle rap video will be demonetized that hasn't Been already

But this is why look has millions of views and makes no money
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If they're getting 2k for every million views that's about 8-10k a month, almost 100k a year. For KOTD that's a huge amount and I imagine what a lot of the staff live off.
can we define "a lot"? 100k is salary for like one person bud
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I would be very surprised if any KOTD staff (including Organik) would be on 100k PA.
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can we define "a lot"? 100k is salary for like one person bud

but double the average salery?

its the most consistent base-line money for sure..obviously they couldnt do what they do with just that money tho
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the only thing is - this has been in the TOS since 2008 and has been enforced for years (to what extent - only youtube knows), only thing that is different now is creators got notified and can appeal when it happens. 90% of the channels hit so far have been channels that in one way or another make videos that cover controversial/"now news" topics, youtube drama and gamers.

as ledge pointed out - its not aimed at nor will it affect original content creators aka battle leagues.
yea come repeat wut i been sayin bro

doesent kotd ever use "controversial" tags tho that would get flagged? i know a manual review would clear it cuz like u said its original content and art on top of that but dont u guys do that? and did u even check
never put that rape tag on an arcane battle???

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Getting butthurt (homosexual trigger omg!) over every little thing to the point where society will have to be covered in grey foam (can't be white or black) just so they don't offend anybody
Meanwhile, the people who were offended by Kaepernick's extremely politically incorrect stance to the point of calling for him to be kicked off the Niners were just brave patriots, right?

The anti "social justice warriors" crowd has done a phenomenal job in framing "social justice warriors" as the only easily offended people in the country. I'm sure "if you don't like it here, go back to Africa" was a phrase first coined by a disproportionately paid attention to teenager/troll Tumblr account or something.
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This only really effects videos that SJWs find offensive. That's the entire purpose of the change in their toc

So yeah if SJWs focus on battle rap we're screwed. Otherwise, nah
LMAO SJWs? Oh mean guys like yourself, right?

People with political agendas who get offended or triggered by information that challenges their political stance and then seek refuge in a "safe space" or want to censor people??? Thats you to a tee lol

Amazing how you are exactly what you are waging war against and don't even realize it
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Meanwhile, the people who were offended by Kaepernick's extremely politically incorrect stance to the point of calling for him to be kicked off the Niners were just brave patriots, right?

The anti "social justice warriors" crowd has done a phenomenal job in framing "social justice warriors" as the only easily offended people in the country. I'm sure "if you don't like it here, go back to Africa" was a phrase first coined by a disproportionately paid attention to teenager/troll Tumblr account or something.
Lol right, it's pretty crazy. Foreman just blocked me on facebook for saying basically the same thing, all the while not even understanding the irony of it all.
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My impression has always been that KOTD actually makes very little money off views and YouTube ads, and that the majority of what they make comes from merch and PPV sales. Obviously it doesn't help, but I don't think this hurts KOTD much financially. I agree with @TheGodOfPez that this is a bad idea for YouTube. Great opportunity Vimeo and Ustream.
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Old 09-11-2016, 06:34 PM   #33
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Lol right, it's pretty crazy. Foreman just blocked me on facebook for saying basically the same thing, all the while not even understanding the irony of it all.
Why do you care if somebody blocks you on facebook? Grow up
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Old 09-11-2016, 06:40 PM   #34
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Why do you care if somebody blocks you on facebook? Grow up
I think u completely missed the point of what I said if u think I care about being blocked on Facebook
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Old 09-11-2016, 07:03 PM   #35
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Amazing how you are exactly what you are waging war against and don't even realize it
That whole group on Talkback are really cliquey and lame tbh. It's weird because I remember them being the only non terrible people on Talkback but dipping back in recently they seem to just make lots of weird obnoxious posts that aren't funny and suck each other off over it.
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there is no point of rewinding 5 times that 7 guys molested okwerdz family 11 times.
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Meanwhile, the people who were offended by Kaepernick's extremely politically incorrect stance to the point of calling for him to be kicked off the Niners were just brave patriots, right?

The anti "social justice warriors" crowd has done a phenomenal job in framing "social justice warriors" as the only easily offended people in the country. I'm sure "if you don't like it here, go back to Africa" was a phrase first coined by a disproportionately paid attention to teenager/troll Tumblr account or something.
These people would get mad if you sing the national anthem wrong, it's pretty hilarious.
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Old 09-11-2016, 07:08 PM   #37
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I think u completely missed the point of what I said if u think I care about being blocked on Facebook
STOP CRYING EF doesn't want to hear it. Ans Salute to Kaepernick he a real one
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Old 09-11-2016, 07:29 PM   #38
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@TheGodOfPez Someone has got to make that a Dick Check Gif.
For those unfortunate souls who do not know what movie is playing in I am Lil ill's avatar it is Riki-Oh. I have watched this movie more than any battle ever. If you've never seen it please stop whatever you're doing and put that shit on now
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STOP CRYING EF doesn't want to hear it. Ans Salute to Kaepernick he a real one
Lol STOP YELLING, I'm not concerned with what foreman wants to hear. In actuality, I feel a little bit bad for triggering him and infringing on his safe space, because that wasnt my intent

And agreed on the Kap man
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For those unfortunate souls who do not know what movie is playing in I am Lil ill's avatar it is Riki-Oh. I have watched this movie more than any battle ever. If you've never seen it please stop whatever you're doing and put that shit on now
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