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Old 09-19-2016, 12:24 PM   #1
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Old 09-19-2016, 12:42 PM   #2
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Old 09-19-2016, 01:30 PM   #4
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i really don't care tbh. URL has been pretty great this year with small events alone. i mean, it sucks because SM is always the card to look forward to, but shit happens.
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Real shit what Chris is sayin! Battle rapper prices are way too high these days and that's whats fuckin it up for the fans. Hitman is dope but aint no way hes worth 30k for a battle. That's just ridiculous. A nigga like Rakim only gets like 20k for rockin a 2hr set. So yea maybe URL are better off just doin smaller cards and try to breed some new stars.
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battle rappers will learn one way or another that the days of huge paydays are over. it was never feasible to begin with, but now the leagues are done indulging these guys. battlers seem to think they are bigger than battling itself. with leagues not spending numbers they know they wont recoup, said battlers will fade into the background.
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Hitman not having mainstage battles on URL is a huge loss for them and battle rap full stop imo. I'm not commenting on who is right or wrong but I hope they can sort it out.
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So essentially the top tier have been getting more or less steady pay increases over the last 8 or so years as battle rap has been growing in popularity.

The problem now is that although battle rap is still growing in popularity, the ability to translate the increase has been bottlenecked by the venues available. Too popular for the current venues but not popular enough for the next step up in them.

I unno. Sounds to me like URL better get with this PPV shit because I guarantee you Chess ain't the next Hitman.


I bet in retrospect URL never does SM2. Sure, short term it was great, but long term paying Lux and Mook like that really bit them in the ass. I don't blame Hitman for asking for 30k. I mean, Lux can get 40k on the basis that he battle rapped a really long time ago. Hitman is an F-tier celebrity which still puts him way the fuck ahead of that.


Also, Chris is making it seem like battle rappers PROMOTING battles is a bad thing. Which is fucking baffling to me. Like shame on these battlers for making people really hyped to see a match lmao. How bout shame on the league for not finding a way to monetize that?

You think Dana White is calling up Connor McGregor like "hey man, can you tone it down with Nate, the demand for this is getting too big"?

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Im nott hat fussed tbh im enjoying the smaller cards a lot more
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Holla is within reason to ask for 30k on url. I dont understand why he is wrong for asking 15k on a smaller league.

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Im nott hat fussed tbh im enjoying the smaller cards a lot more
just another one of the many reasons why 'big events/crowds' for
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Im nott hat fussed tbh im enjoying the smaller cards a lot more
they have literally got detour on one of those smaller cards,fuck tht!
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He can ask for whatever he wants but URL is not going to pay it. Why should URL pay twice the price of another league for the same battle, especially when they helped build his profile.
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So essentially the top tier have been getting more or less steady pay increases over the last 8 or so years as battle rap has been growing in popularity.

The problem now is that although battle rap is still growing in popularity, the ability to translate the increase has been bottlenecked by the venues available. Too popular for the current venues but not popular enough for the next step up in them.

I unno. Sounds to me like URL better get with this PPV shit because I guarantee you Chess ain't the next Hitman.


I bet in retrospect URL never does SM2. Sure, short term it was great, but long term paying Lux and Mook like that really bit them in the ass. I don't blame Hitman for asking for 30k. I mean, Lux can get 40k on the basis that he battle rapped a really long time ago. Hitman is an F-tier celebrity which still puts him way the fuck ahead of that.


Also, Chris is making it seem like battle rappers PROMOTING battles is a bad thing. Which is fucking baffling to me. Like shame on these battlers for making people really hyped to see a match lmao. How bout shame on the league for not finding a way to monetize that?

You think Dana White is calling up Connor McGregor like "hey man, can you tone it down with Nate, the demand for this is getting too big"?
Chris is not saying battlers promoting is a bad thing. He saying they are doing it to up there price. They then inflate their worth so the battle does not go down.

I think they still do SM2 they just tell battle rappers get a sponsor if you want that much. Also no way they could have anticipated losing the venue.

PPV is a bad idea
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I'd say it's a good idea to call the battle rappers' bluff.

*Sees Ave vs. Rum Nitty at 765,000*

Mike P and Daylyt just hit like.. 200K too. In a day.

Let's play the wait and see game. Who folds first? The league breeding new talent that's doing good numbers.. or the entitled veterans?
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Chris is not saying battlers promoting is a bad thing. He saying they are doing it to up there price. They then inflate their worth so the battle does not go down.

I think they still do SM2 they just tell battle rappers get a sponsor if you want that much. Also no way they could have anticipated losing the venue.

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well of course they're doing it to up their price lol.

what motivation do they have otherwise?

it ups the hype which ups the potential profitability which should up their price.


i don't see how PPV is a bad idea. seems to be working great for the Bunker considering we're getting fire cards at a small venue. but if URL doesn't wanna go to PPV then I guess that's fine.

realistically, they're in NY, so even though most of these new guys suck I'm sure they'll always be able to find 1000 people willing to show up.
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well of course they're doing it to up their price lol.

what motivation do they have otherwise?

it ups the hype which ups the potential profitability which should up their price.


i don't see how PPV is a bad idea. seems to be working great for the Bunker considering we're getting fire cards at a small venue. but if URL doesn't wanna go to PPV then I guess that's fine.

realistically, they're in NY, so even though most of these new guys suck I'm sure they'll always be able to find 1000 people willing to show up.
Those Bunker cards have not been fire. URL wants to make their money in door money not PPV. PPV hurst the look of the battles and the anticipation, they lose control of their content when they do PPV. They are not doing it.

While I am not a huge fan of all these new guys if you think most of them suck how can you think the Bunker Cards are fire? You think J Pro maegadef, Deadman Madflex etc.. are crazy?
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I hope URL never does another ppv. I mean, it works for some platforms, but I don't like it for URL at all.
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we are also getting BL4 in October NOME in November and Rookies vs Sophomores to close out the year so this is really not that big of a deal
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Those Bunker cards have not been fire. URL wants to make their money in door money not PPV. PPV hurst the look of the battles and the anticipation, they lose control of their content when they do PPV. They are not doing it.

While I am not a huge fan of all these new guys if you think most of them suck how can you think the Bunker Cards are fire? You think J Pro maegadef, Deadman Madflex etc.. are crazy?
i mean the most recent bunker announcements are far better than these new guys.

maybe think of a better way to do a PPV then. cause chris is basically saying that 100k or so is their cap at the door (plus a bit of a bump for VIP and stuff). and URL will never be able to match their previous cards with that budget. unless they start doing like 4 battle events or find a more suitable venue.

i guess they gotta decide whether they wanna compromise the good battles with a ppv or just book mediocre ones.
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i mean the most recent bunker announcements are far better than these new guys.

maybe think of a better way to do a PPV then. cause chris is basically saying that 100k or so is their cap at the door (plus a bit of a bump for VIP and stuff). and URL will never be able to match their previous cards with that budget. unless they start doing like 4 battle events or find a more suitable venue.

i guess they gotta decide whether they wanna compromise the good battles with a ppv or just book mediocre ones.
Here is the thing URL didnt pay Mook 30k URl didnt pay hitman 15K sponsors did. They also had a bigger venue. They dont need to match previous cards they need to make the card strong enough to get people to fill the venue they book.

Who are you talking about B magic vs Eness? Madflex vs Heartless? Reverse live vs Raw? QP vs Fresco? One of those is highly anticipated. And B magic vs Ave was a bigger battle.

You realize URL can book a battle like that anytime they want? They dont need PPV to book a battle like that. PPV is not going to help thier bottom line that much thier is too much bootlegging. They make their big money at the door.
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He can ask for whatever he wants but URL is not going to pay it. Why should URL pay twice the price of another league for the same battle, especially when they helped build his profile.
Because they are the bigger league.
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Because they are the bigger league.
Makes zero sense

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Because they are the bigger league.
600 has address the ridiculousness of your post. But let me ask you a question, if someone was offering to pay you more for the same amount of work and would help your future career more why on earth would you take less from somebody else?
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Here is the thing URL didnt pay Mook 30k URl didnt pay hitman 15K sponsors did. They also had a bigger venue. They dont need to match previous cards they need to make the card strong enough to get people to fill the venue they book.

Who are you talking about B magic vs Eness? Madflex vs Heartless? Reverse live vs Raw? QP vs Fresco? One of those is highly anticipated. And B magic vs Ave was a bigger battle.

You realize URL can book a battle like that anytime they want? They dont need PPV to book a battle like that. PPV is not going to help thier bottom line that much thier is too much bootlegging. They make their big money at the door.
It's all relative though. KOTD has a much smaller fan base so you look at what the Bunker is able to be relative to WD despite the much smaller venue and it doesn't take a genius to realize PPV is significant.

It's crazy to suggest that URL doesn't need anything but the door money. They absolutely do if they want to continue to grow and have bigger cards. To say that the door is bigger than the potential PPV sales is ridiculous and if that's the case it's their fault entirely.

1000 people at the door at 100 bucks a piece....this is a company known across the country that has 700k subs on YouTube. You're telling me they can't find a way to at least match what's at the door on PPV? 4000 sales at 30 bucks and you've surpassed that...4000 is around .5% of their subscription base. That's not even including factors like the majority of the fan base isn't even able to go to the live events.

Name me one other somewhat similar business that has grown to be large where the only option to see it live is to go to a venue in one specific spot where the capacity is 1000.... Read that sentence and forget about URL and it basically sounds like a small local band...except even they can tour (and reuse material while they're at it).

The Bunker holds 150...30 bucks a ticket and they're at 4500 bucks. So clearly PPV is doing something cause I assure you that card cost most than that to put together.

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It's all relative though. KOTD has a much smaller fan base so you look at what the Bunker is able to be relative to WD despite the much smaller venue and it doesn't take a genius to realize PPV is significant.

It's crazy to suggest that URL doesn't need anything but the door money. They absolutely do if they want to continue to grow and have bigger cards. To say that the door is bigger than the potential PPV sales is ridiculous and if that's the case it's their fault entirely.

1000 people at the door at 100 bucks a piece....this is a company known across the country that has 700k subs on YouTube. You're telling me they can't find a way to at least match what's at the door on PPV? 4000 sales at 30 bucks and you've surpassed that...4000 is around .5% of their subscription base. That's not even including factors like the majority of the fan base isn't even able to go to the live events.

Name me one other somewhat similar business that has grown to be large where the only option to see it live is to go to a venue in one specific spot where the capacity is 1000.... Read that sentence and forget about URL and it basically sounds like a small local band...except even they can tour (and reuse material while they're at it).

The Bunker holds 150...30 bucks a ticket and they're at 4500 bucks. So clearly PPV is doing something cause I assure you that card cost most than that to put together.
Is the PPV really that significant or are these battlers taking a significantly less money to battle at the bunker? Yes some people buy the PPV

URL has done PPV multiple times and they found it not to be a good enough revenue stream to continue to do so.

Pretty much most big time Youtubers do the same as URL. They drop content consistently, they go on tours and and they sell Merch. URL needs to figure out how to sell more Merch.
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Is the PPV really that significant or are these battlers taking a significantly less money to battle at the bunker? Yes some people buy the PPV

URL has done PPV multiple times and they found it not to be a good enough revenue stream to continue to do so.

Pretty much most big time Youtubers do the same as URL. They drop content consistently, they go on tours and and they sell Merch. URL needs to figure out how to sell more Merch.
Most big time YouTubers have very little cost of operation though. You aren't renting venues, hiring people, etc. You're operating out of a bedroom, with a fairly expensive computer and camera/editing equipment.

URL definitely needs to expand on the merch front tho.

I'm sure battlers are a bit more modest when dealing with bunker events, but they ain't 4500$ for the full bunch level of modest. I mean that's a 6 battle event already so 12 battles...that's less than 400 a piece average not including other costs.

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Most big time YouTubers have very little cost of operation though. You aren't renting venues, hiring people, etc. You're operating out of a bedroom, with a fairly expensive computer and camera/editing equipment.

URL definitely needs to expand on the merch front tho.
While true you have to remember these URL owners have jobs as well. If PPV was a massive success they would still be doing them.

IKNOW you want the battles its just not the right thing for them to do PPV. If they want to make a Bunker like card they can do one and make enough money at the door to pay for the card. This is once they get these guys fees under control.

They need to make it so they aren't over paying these freelancer way over market value.
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I'm sure battlers are a bit more modest when dealing with bunker events, but they ain't 4500$ for the full bunch level of modest. I mean that's a 6 battle event already so 12 battles...that's less than 400 a piece average not including other costs.
You have also go to look at how many people avo needs to cop the PPV to break even and where the market is and how much people watch the bootlegs.

Avo might only need 300 people to buy PPV in order to make a profit. Where URL needs 1000's. Nobody is really checking for reverse live vs Raw therefore it wont be on WSHH an Vladtv. But hitman vs Shug will be on everysite
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You have also go to look at how many people avo needs to cop the PPV to break even and where the market is and how much people watch the bootlegs.

Avo might only need 300 people to buy PPV in order to make a profit. Where URL needs 1000's. Nobody is really checking for reverse live vs Raw therefore it wont be on WSHH an Vladtv. But hitman vs Shug will be on everysite
I mean, they're really making a profit on the PPV as soon as they surpass the operating cost there (assuming it doesnt' cut into live attendance but with a 1000 person venue that's unlikely to happen for URL).

The operating cost for the PPV is unlikely to be higher than KOTDs since KOTD already has incredible quality on theirs. They might need to secure some better infrastructure within the venue due to the heavier load from more viewers...but the money from those viewers will always outweigh that cost.

People are gonna bootleg regardless, at that point it comes down to how much profit is in the views on YouTube. I get that the companies make money off YouTube views directly but I doubt that's the issue.

The issue likely has to do with the indirect money they make off YouTube. URL definitely has much larger sponsors than KOTD and if I had to bet a lot of the hesitance probably comes down to being able to sell those sponsors on the PPV. Right now it's easy...here, look at our YouTube channel, we have X subscribers and these videos have x views, Y has averages Z views over the last 10 battles on our channel etc. etc. Sponsors probably feel safe because they have concrete stats, URL feels safe because it's easy to quantify.

PPV is new territory and you gotta think of a different sales pitch/way to do ads (ie. point during the PPV, etc. Which I think is more difficult than say UFC because battle rap still very much has organization and scheduling issues). It's possible but I honestly think that's where they're stuck right now.

IIRC Lux vs. Charlie Clips was basically financially possible BECAUSE they conceded and did a PPV. That battle is still at 2.4million and it's a stinker so the impact on views seems a bit exaggerated.

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just to put things a bit in perspective i've never "profited" off any bunker event and we need a lot more than 300 ppv's buys to break even unfortunately. still love it tho and hope to get it to a place where i think it can be at.
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just to put things a bit in perspective i've never "profited" off any bunker event and we need a lot more than 300 ppv's buys to break even unfortunately. still love it tho and hope to get it to a place where i think it can be at.
Sorry if I made it seem that you guys were caking off PPV or something haha, I was trying to imply that PPV contributes substantially to your ability to do these events (especially with the capacity limitations).

Is that fair?
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Sorry if I made it seem that you guys were caking off PPV or something haha, I was trying to imply that PPV contributes substantially to your ability to do these events (especially with the capacity limitations).

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oh yeah you're correct, i wasn't tryin to argue or disprove anything you were saying in particular just knowall said i only really need 300 ppv's to break even which...is wildly incorrect.
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oh yeah you're correct, i wasn't tryin to argue or disprove anything you were saying in particular just knowall said i only really need 300 ppv's to break even which...is wildly incorrect.
It's 298 right?
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I'd say it's a good idea to call the battle rappers' bluff.

*Sees Ave vs. Rum Nitty at 765,000*

Mike P and Daylyt just hit like.. 200K too. In a day.

Let's play the wait and see game. Who folds first? The league breeding new talent that's doing good numbers.. or the entitled veterans?
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I mean, they're really making a profit on the PPV as soon as they surpass the operating cost there (assuming it doesnt' cut into live attendance but with a 1000 person venue that's unlikely to happen for URL).

The operating cost for the PPV is unlikely to be higher than KOTDs since KOTD already has incredible quality on theirs. They might need to secure some better infrastructure within the venue due to the heavier load from more viewers...but the money from those viewers will always outweigh that cost.

People are gonna bootleg regardless, at that point it comes down to how much profit is in the views on YouTube. I get that the companies make money off YouTube views directly but I doubt that's the issue.

The issue likely has to do with the indirect money they make off YouTube. URL definitely has much larger sponsors than KOTD and if I had to bet a lot of the hesitance probably comes down to being able to sell those sponsors on the PPV. Right now it's easy...here, look at our YouTube channel, we have X subscribers and these videos have x views, Y has averages Z views over the last 10 battles on our channel etc. etc. Sponsors probably feel safe because they have concrete stats, URL feels safe because it's easy to quantify.

PPV is new territory and you gotta think of a different sales pitch/way to do ads (ie. point during the PPV, etc. Which I think is more difficult than say UFC because battle rap still very much has organization and scheduling issues). It's possible but I honestly think that's where they're stuck right now.

IIRC Lux vs. Charlie Clips was basically financially possible BECAUSE they conceded and did a PPV. That battle is still at 2.4million and it's a stinker so the impact on views seems a bit exaggerated.
They aint doint PPV they dont like it for may reason and I agree with them. They also dont need it to put out a good product
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i really don't care tbh. URL has been pretty great this year with small events alone. i mean, it sucks because SM is always the card to look forward to, but shit happens.
"Great"

Double Impact had 1.5 good battles.
Born legacy 2 had two great battles.
Dead on arrival had maybe one kool battle (Nitty & danja) no stand out performances.
Unfinished business had one decent battle. Ass event.

4 noteworthy battles out of 4 events...URL looking shakey babyyyyyyyy.
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