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Old 07-05-2017, 11:46 PM   #1
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Yeah, I think supporting Eurgh in any way at this point, when everyone around him has turned against him, is stupid.
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ok since i'm completely out of the loop here, what exactly is eurgh doing (or not doing) that's pissing off all these staff members? shorting them on money? not paying them at all?
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ok since i'm completely out of the loop here, what exactly is eurgh doing (or not doing) that's pissing off all these staff members? shorting them on money? not paying them at all?
Yes and yes (right down to Cruger not editing any of the battles because he hasn't been getting paid).
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ok since i'm completely out of the loop here, what exactly is eurgh doing (or not doing) that's pissing off all these staff members? shorting them on money? not paying them at all?
The accusation essentially is like you said, he's taking money from the league while the staff aren't being paid. Obviously can't vouch for the validity of the claim, but that's essentially what's being alleged
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That's everybody isn't it? Bagnall is like the 8th staff member to leave in recent days. DF is literally just Eurgh now
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Honestly it seems like this is a simple case of Eurgh trying to keep the lion's share. Everyone gets offered 'exposure'.

Could be a huge blow to UK as right now, there is literally no-one in the UK battle scene to take over (Mickey really doesn't have the personality to be king)
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if it's been 'this bad' why the fuck have these people been taking this amount of shit for so long? i mean he must really know how to choose his ''employees'' any one with any kind of backbone would have told eurgh to go fuck himself a long time ago or even simplier just ko'd his ass.
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if it's been 'this bad' why the fuck have these people been taking this amount of shit for so long? i mean he must really know how to choose his ''employees'' any one with any kind of backbone would have told eurgh to go fuck himself a long time ago or even simplier just ko'd his ass.
Life is real bro, actions have real consequences and as he said; he didn't just want to bail on his friends. He's an integral part of the team, bailing would screw a lot of people over.

It sounds like the staff relationships in DF are hella strained
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I gotta say, it sounds shit but we have heard a lot of this before. Quite a lot of battlers and former staff members have left in the past for similar reasons and they were usually dismissed as bitter haters, quite a few of these guys that are leaving now took part in ridiculing them and discrediting what they said. Obviously we don't know all the ins and outs but Eurgh can't be the only person to blame.

Edit- TBF, reading back, I see Bagnall is kind of owning up to this a bit here.
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Basically the nail in the coffin. Sucks for UK battlerap...

That said, if literally everyone but Eurgh are gone, they could pretty easily just all form another league to really shit on the guy. I don't get the impression that Eurgh does a whole lot of the heavy lifting...seems like he just happens to be the owner and the host.
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Basically the nail in the coffin. Sucks for UK battlerap...

That said, if literally everyone but Eurgh are gone, they could pretty easily just all form another league to really shit on the guy. I don't get the impression that Eurgh does a whole lot of the heavy lifting...seems like he just happens to be the owner and the host.
I think the problem is that Eurgh has the deep pockets. I remember Kid Twist clowning on his attitude with the whole 'Mommy I wanna battle league...' thing. Starting a league from scratch even with established names is always a tough start and it would be difficult to find someone willing to invest into it.

If they can find someone with the money and the connections that Eurgh had, then a practically already formed battle rap league is just waiting to be taken. But look at GT, it had guys like Drect and Lush One going solo and looking to restart something, but neither managed to reform it.
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I think the problem is that Eurgh has the deep pockets. I remember Kid Twist clowning on his attitude with the whole 'Mommy I wanna battle league...' thing. Starting a league from scratch even with established names is always a tough start and it would be difficult to find someone willing to invest into it.

If they can find someone with the money and the connections that Eurgh had, then a practically already formed battle rap league is just waiting to be taken. But look at GT, it had guys like Drect and Lush One going solo and looking to restart something, but neither managed to reform it.
Yeah good call.

You would think if his pockets were that deep he wouldn't need to be stealing what (in comparison) is probably pennies from the staff/battlers...
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That last "UKBL" event had a good chunk of DF's main roster either battling or in attendance showing support. I think at the moment they'd be the likely replacement league, but I'm not sure what kind of resources they have, and they haven't had an upload in 5 months. They do have an event on Aug 5th with Oshea but the card is kinda weak.

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I heard Liam and the rest all went in together on buying GT from mad ills. He wanted his $20 check to clear before he announced he was leaving.
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if it's been 'this bad' why the fuck have these people been taking this amount of shit for so long? i mean he must really know how to choose his ''employees'' any one with any kind of backbone would have told eurgh to go fuck himself a long time ago or even simplier just ko'd his ass.
I agree with this 100%. I ain't working for no boss that ain't paying me and/or fucking other people over. If Eurgh is that bad how was this allowed to continue for like 7+ years?
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I agree with this 100%. I ain't working for no boss that ain't paying me and/or fucking other people over. If Eurgh is that bad how was this allowed to continue for like 7+ years?
I'm guessing but battle rap for many operates in that grey space between hobby, passion and business interest so if you're an Eurgh you can exploit that. For example if I joined DF and went all out to promote an event that was local to me and promoted emcees I liked (and was given a good-sized platform to do so) I may be willing to overlook money at least initially.

+ Eurgh obviously hustles that 'you're getting paid in exposure' line.

But it's weird when you piece together how may staff and battlers (I was reading Natrill's Twitter yesterday) have left over the past few years why it's only just come Cosbying out over the past week or so (but I'm a total outsider, so I assume it's been simmering for much longer)
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I'm guessing but battle rap for many operates in that grey space between hobby, passion and business interest so if you're an Eurgh you can exploit that. For example if I joined DF and went all out to promote an event that was local to me and promoted emcees I liked (and was given a good-sized platform to do so) I may be willing to overlook money at least initially.

+ Eurgh obviously hustles that 'you're getting paid in exposure' line.

But it's weird when you piece together how may staff and battlers (I was reading Natrill's Twitter yesterday) have left over the past few years why it's only just come Cosbying out over the past week or so (but I'm a total outsider, so I assume it's been simmering for much longer)
Some fair points here.
The whole your getting paid in exposure shit does fly to a certain extent though. If it weren't for don't flop I never would of heard of Shotty Horroh, O'Shea, Lunar C, Shufflo, Tony D, and a bunch more. Dont Flop/Eurgh did a lot for their careers. Seems like it's more his own staff he has really fucked over. Which is pretty wack.
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I'm sure Eurgh already has another crew ready to step in and fill the positions to work for free. So many cats are willing to do anything for exposure that they wouldn't mind working for free. I'm sure Eurgh is already grooming his next Bagnall....
It's the same way that Chronicle, used to stand next to Eurgh for the battles, then it was Mickey, then Bam etc etc and now it's that weird looking guy. When he leaves there will be another....
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I'm sure Eurgh already has another crew ready to step in and fill the positions to work for free. So many cats are willing to do anything for exposure that they wouldn't mind working for free. I'm sure Eurgh is already grooming his next Bagnall....
It's the same way that Chronicle, used to stand next to Eurgh for the battles, then it was Mickey, then Bam etc etc and now it's that weird looking guy. When he leaves there will be another....
It's going to be hard to find another Liam Bagnall. It would be like trying to find another Avo
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Here's the thing I always wonder.
Why is one man in charge of it all? How do you give him more footage when you haven't been paid for past footage? Is he pocketing money that is there, or are they thinking there's more to be made.

Too many of these guys quit giving these ambiguous statements but nothing actually concrete of what's going down.
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I haven't paid attention to any of this for like a year and I come on today to see all this beef happening and the only thing I can think is 'about fucking time'.

Eurgh has been hated on by people within the scene more often than every other battlerap personality combined, for as long as I've been watching pretty much. The amount of battlers that just fucked off completely over the years, most assumed (or straight up said it) because of Eurgh and most people just sort of shrugged it off as an ego thing and carried on. It was fucking annoying to see honestly, when someone pretty much has a monopoly on high profile british battles and you can see that they actually hinder the movement because of their greed and ego it's just sad.

I'm actually glad this is finally imploding and I really hope something stronger and more representative of the best of british battling can come up out of the ashes. People will always remember Don't Flop fondly if it does completely crumble, but it's not what it could and should be and something like this needed to happen.

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I haven't paid attention to any of this for like a year and I come on today to see all this beef happening and the only thing I can think is 'about fucking time'.

Eurgh has been hated on by people within the scene more often than every other battlerap personality combined, for as long as I've been watching pretty much. The amount of battlers that just fucked off completely over the years, most assumed (or straight up said it) because of Eurgh and most people just sort of shrugged it off as an ego thing and carried on. It was fucking annoying to see honestly, when someone pretty much has a monopoly on high profile british battles and you can see that they actually hinder the movement because of their greed and ego it's just sad.

I'm actually glad this is finally imploding and I really hope something stronger and more representative of the best of british battling can come up out of the ashes. People will always remember Don't Flop fondly if it does completely crumble, but it's not what it could and should be and something like this needed to happen.

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Fuck. I hope a new league forms with all of the talent that have left, or an existing league ups their game and takes on a bunch of DF people.

I always found it hard not to like Eurgh, at least as a battler/host, even though he comes across as a narcissistic cunt a lot of the time. Always gave him the benefit of the doubt but it's hard to look past at this point when literally everyone has left for the same reason more or less.

I think he is probably too egoic a person to admit fault or even acknowledge any of this, and will instead delude himself into believing it's everyone else's fault that things went to shit for him.

DF was my favourite league for years so it's sad to see this happening. Funny timing, ten years on from the whole Jumpoff meltdown which was the first real glimpse into Eurgh's arrogance/character defects (as much as I always felt his team did win that shit...)

DFAFD...

And by that I mean "Don't Flop's apparently fucking dead..."

"Don't Flop's absolutely finished, damn" also works.

As long as the channel stays up with the countless hours of dope battles that happened over the years, I'll be able to move on from this significant loss

*sheds tear

I barely follow battles in general these days tbh, this same thing happening 3-4 years ago would have disappointed me a lot more than it does now. Most of my favourite UK battlers don't really battle that much nowadays and I hadn't checked the DF channel with any regularity in some time. I have copped a few of the more noteworthy matches on their Vimeo PPV page in the last year or so. The purchase cost for entire events is generally mad overpriced though and I'm even less likely to support them (basically just him, now) in the future given all of the fuckery that appears to have transpired.

RIP my favourite battle league. Would be pretty mindblowing if it was somehow kept alive at this point without becoming a pathetic shell of its former self.
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I mostly hope the Calicoe battle, Respek BA vs Serius Jones, and Oshea vs Madness will still be released. The culture needs those.
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I mostly hope the Calicoe battle, Respek BA vs Serius Jones, and Oshea vs Madness will still be released. The culture needs those.
For real. Cruger has the footage. Cruger also has a Youtube channel in need of views. It can't take a genius to connect that.
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Finally, after years of abuse, Manik snaps and, just like in the Illmac/ Saurus battle, unleashes some of the angriest texting ever.
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