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Old 08-10-2016, 06:08 PM   #1
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ANYBODY want to admit whats killing battle rap is not having GRINDTIME?

I remember when GRINDTIME was going down a lot of you nerds were happy. You wanted it to fail you wanted KOTD to be number one. The smart people like me were saying be careful what you ask for.

What GRINDTIME did was allow us to get new talent from all over the country and watch it rise up it also gave us so many styles. Now we have Norbes doing his things which is a good thing. But the other major power is KOTD and Jpro bum ass and Avo making decisions. We no longer get to mind talent all over the county and the its sad


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Old 08-10-2016, 06:34 PM   #2
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GrindTime only fell apart cause niggas couldn't get along and make money together, even if they didn't like each other.
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Old 08-10-2016, 06:49 PM   #3
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Not sure if this is part of the point OP is making, but I also miss grindtime because they weren't trying to be tough guys or make any kinda of social/political statements. I also liked how they had a lot of different styles and people from all over the country. Seemed like there was more unity then, and less of an "us vs them" type mentality.
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DF USA made a good effort at recreating a more modern GT atmosphere with their recent events in Chicago, DC, Atlanta, and Florida. I don't know if it was a sustainable model for them financially however.
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DF USA made a good effort at recreating a more modern GT atmosphere with their recent events in Chicago, DC, Atlanta, and Florida. I don't know if it was a sustainable model for them financially however.
Yeah, especially in 2015, DF USA really had that grind time feel and it was good
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well GT did what neither URL or KOTD has done, and that was spread out all over the country. this is what is missing from todays battling. not a lot of leagues are around anymore b/c it's starting to become obviouis that unless you know what you're doing (and even if you do) this business isn't a money maker. you have bullpen in atl, kotd in cali, and url in ny...but that's a whole lot of of places left without a league close enough to battle on.
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Old 08-10-2016, 08:30 PM   #8
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Yeah, Grind Time was awesome. The scene would be much better today if the major players didn't let it fail.
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you know, it actually is hilarious thinking back how many people were excited and happy that grind time collapsed and that KOTD was gonna absorb a bunch of their talent
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say whay you want about some of the guys that ran it,grindtime were the bluepeint and foundations for scene now.

it actually brought together talent from all areas,america needs a kinda nationwide structure in the way GT had.
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GT size and reach made it good. If DF USA and KOTD can spread out more they can revive it. I like what KOTD doing out west, if Pen really did the KOTD East DF runs the South and midwest on a regular basis, theres some potential.

GT had its place

I remember people being happy but I dont remember it being those you would put in the nerd category. It was more of the street fans who were claiming KOTD would be next.
Plus a bunch of us Canadians were just happy KOTD won out because so many ppl were predicting the other way.
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Old 08-11-2016, 12:28 AM   #12
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GT's size is also what contributed to it dying tho

when Absyrd founded GT Montana and ppl started treating it like a free for all, things got out of hand

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Old 08-11-2016, 01:39 AM   #13
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Grindtime lowkey would of booked Brizz Rawsteen vs E Farrell
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I feel like more 60-90 sec rounds would help to fill the void a little, forced rappers to be direct as possible and use less filler.
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It was timed rounds. New talent are being introduced via unlimited rounds and it's too long.

Jimz for instance is soooooo dope! But I can't whip through 8 minute rounds like the ol' 15 minute battles.

Imagine Jimz, Brizz, Showoff, DOT, Chilla, 100 Bulletz, Charron, etc with 90 second rounds.
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It was timed rounds. New talent are being introduced via unlimited rounds and it's too long.

Jimz for instance is soooooo dope! But I can't whip through 8 minute rounds like the ol' 15 minute battles.

Imagine Jimz, Brizz, Showoff, DOT, Chilla, 100 Bulletz, Charron, etc with 90 second rounds.
very true these 1hr long battles make it too much. Especially when every league is doing them now.
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Imagine Jimz, Brizz, Showoff, DOT, Chilla, 100 Bulletz, Charron, etc with 90 second rounds.
I don't like it at all. Maybe for someone with charron's type of style, what-with the rhyming insult comedy, and so forth, but street rappers / elite rappers have always needed longer rounds, which is why many of them didnt go very far in the grind time format. I like different kinds of battle rap, but I don't really like the homogenization of it all.

Some tv shows, like situation comedy, for example, is perfectly fine being a half hour. Some shows like dramas or thrillers that have a story to tell need more time. That is to say, a show like the Simpsons doesn't really work as an hour long, and part of that is because every episode is a stand alone episode, with low stakes, and no effect on future/past episodes or continuing story line. Conversely, a show like breaking bad would feel rushed and forced in just a half hour, because there are continuing story arcs with higher stakes that need more time to be fully fleshed out. Now, breaking bad might not be everyone's cup of tea, and you might be a bigger fan of the Simpsons, but that doesn't mean that breaking bad would be better if it were more like the Simpsons. You'd be taking away part of what makes breaking bad good in the first place if you cut the time the creators have to tell the story in half.
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I don't like it at all. Maybe for someone with charron's type of style, what-with the rhyming insult comedy, and so forth, but street rappers / elite rappers have always needed longer rounds, which is why many of them didnt go very far in the grind time format. I like different kinds of battle rap, but I don't really like the homogenization of it all.

Some tv shows, like situation comedy, for example, is perfectly fine being a half hour. Some shows like dramas or thrillers that have a story to tell need more time. That is to say, a show like the Simpsons doesn't really work as an hour long, and part of that is because every episode is a stand alone episode, with low stakes, and no effect on future/past episodes or continuing story line. Conversely, a show like breaking bad would feel rushed and forced in just a half hour, because there are continuing story arcs with higher stakes that need more time to be fully fleshed out. Now, breaking bad might not be everyone's cup of tea, and you might be a bigger fan of the Simpsons, but that doesn't mean that breaking bad would be better if it were more like the Simpsons. You'd be taking away part of what makes breaking bad good in the first place if you cut the time the creators have to tell the story in half.
60 seconds is too short for good rappers but the 3 mins stopping time for crowd reaction is too long for majority of rappers regardless of style.

I've always said 90 seconds to 2 min is perfect for battle rap
If you are doing 3 min rounds you need to go to old FK style and its 3 min max cut off.

Even those that can hold onto the attention It still makes the battle itself way to long
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60 seconds is too short for good rappers but the 3 mins stopping time for crowd reaction is too long for majority of rappers regardless of style.

I've always said 90 seconds to 2 min is perfect for battle rap
If you are doing 3 min rounds you need to go to old FK style and its 3 min max cut off.

Even those that can hold onto the attention It still makes the battle itself way to long
I don't think all battle rap is the same. For certain situations, 90sec - 2mins makes sense. For other situations, 3+ mins make sense. You don't seem to like battles from the latter situation, so my advice is to stop watching it, stick to your short battles, and let people enjoy the long battles without you trying to change shit. There's room for everyone.
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KOTD is what GT should've been. They filled the spot simultaneously with GT sinking.
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Fans were only happy to see Grind Time (Madd Illz) fail after it was already a garbage league doing nothing of value. It would be different if fans quit supporting GT in favor of KOTD while GT was still doing good shit.
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damn could yall imagine if shit like hollow/lux or surf/roc were 60 second rounds. thatd be so bad
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I don't think all battle rap is the same. For certain situations, 90sec - 2mins makes sense. For other situations, 3+ mins make sense. You don't seem to like battles from the latter situation, so my advice is to stop watching it, stick to your short battles, and let people enjoy the long battles without you trying to change shit. There's room for everyone.
I just think its easier to ruin a battle for being to long than too short
And its opinion as to what thinks would work best in general or majority of the time.
I think 90-2 mins works in majority of situations. If it`s a tryout you make it less. If it`s abig match or main event you make it more. I feel that kind of general rule would produce the best matchups.

Try to change shit you act like super long matches have been the norm
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KOTD is what GT should've been. They filled the spot simultaneously with GT sinking.
They arent big enough to fill what GT did. They dont got no real reach in the South
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I just think its easier to ruin a battle for being to long than too short
And its opinion as to what thinks would work best in general or majority of the time.
I think 90-2 mins works in majority of situations. If it`s a tryout you make it less. If it`s abig match or main event you make it more. I feel that kind of general rule would produce the best matchups.

Try to change shit you act like super long matches have been the norm
I'm saying, if that's the format you prefer, than thats fantastic, but to make it a general rule is where I think you're trippin. Not everyone, across the board, should have the same format for battling. There's plenty of 90sec - 2min battles out there for you to watch. It being a general rule that all of battle rap has to abide by is fucking crazy lol.
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Grindtime was the biggest backpack scene going, no matter who came out of that shit. The same style you all hated on KOTD for being. All the homegrown KOTD talent that wouldn't fly with all the haters on the forums were basically Grindtime style rappers. KOTD started bringing in all the URL guys and shit to appease the fanbase demanding it.. then you big up Grindtime.

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biggest hypocrite in the game.

Grindtime was the biggest backpack scene going, no matter who came out of that shit. The same style you all hated on KOTD for being. All the homegrown KOTD talent that wouldn't fly with all the haters on the forums were basically Grindtime style rappers. KOTD started bringing in all the URL guys and shit to appease the fanbase demanding it.. then you big up Grindtime.

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i mean, its pretty obvious that when talking about grindtime being ">>>>" i aint talking about illmac's rounds vs conceited or anything to do with soul khan

its the ars/con's, the marv/verbs, the e ness/solomons, etc. ofc they had backpacker type shit tho, difference was that fans of it didnt shove their "FAGGOT JOKES >>>> GENERIC GUN BARS" opinions down everyones throat like they did after the kotd "merge" or w/e u wanna call it
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I'm saying, if that's the format you prefer, than thats fantastic, but to make it a general rule is where I think you're trippin. Not everyone, across the board, should have the same format for battling. There's plenty of 90sec - 2min battles out there for you to watch. It being a general rule that all of battle rap has to abide by is fucking crazy lol.
but we already have general rules its not like battles coming out with various times based on battles. I am just stating what I think the general times should be.

You dont complain that battles league drop battles at the same length with a general rule
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but we already have general rules
No "we" don't

Every platform controls it's own format. There's no governing body that says what all the platforms must do. And thats exactly how it should be.
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but we already have general rules its not like battles coming out with various times based on battles. I am just stating what I think the general times should be.

You dont complain that battles league drop battles at the same length with a general rule
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No "we" don't

Every platform controls it's own format. There's no governing body that says what all the platforms must do. And thats exactly how it should be.
What he's saying makes sense. I feel like you two won't be disagreeing as much if you change "rule", hard, to "guideline".
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What he's saying makes sense. I feel like you two won't be disagreeing as much if you change "rule", hard, to "guideline".
Every URL battle is 3 min rounds but not everyone should be especially some of there pgs and new people is what I am trying to say

He just chooses to argue with me.
They are unwritten rules that leagues do seem to follow in there battles I am just saying what would I think would be good ones to implement
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Jimz for instance is soooooo dope! But I can't whip through 8 minute rounds like the ol' 15 minute battles.

Imagine Jimz, Brizz, Showoff, DOT, Chilla, 100 Bulletz, Charron, etc with 90 second rounds.
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