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Old 05-28-2015, 07:34 PM   #1
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my interest in battle rap is dying

same way i called it when grindtime was dying and everybody thought i was crazy...i'm calling it now...battle rap as a whole? dat nigga dead b

well, not quite dead but its heading that way. i dont think it'll ever be truly dead because at this point its been embedded in us to be here. its a bonafide culture. but in comparison to the ferver there once was, it seems like you all feel the same way

look at all the stickied battles. i havent watched one of them. according to the numbers, a lot of you havent either

but fuck complaining without a solution, what do you think the issue is?

one of my guesses would be lackadasical performances from reputable battlers. im guilty af and promise to not engage in anything i'm not 150% excited about anymore. i think a lot of us are on cruise control. we're jaded and just expect people to fuck with us/hate us. or some of us value money over our brand. or sometimes fans make up their mind as to who won before the battle begins and it affects people in it on some "oh well, fuck winning or losing, i'll be booked again anyway, get money" type shit. what can be done to bring a genuine hunger back? real fans dont want to see niggas rapping to just rap. niggas want competition.

or am i wrong? if so whats your take
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Old 05-28-2015, 07:37 PM   #2
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Old 05-28-2015, 07:38 PM   #3
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watch chilla vs math, ya baby

i was there. i loved it. still no inclination to click on that shit
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i blame ppl obsessed with BARS!!!!!
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and somewhat connected with BARS!!!, most new battle rappers fucking suck and are extremely boring
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and somewhat connected with BARS!!!, most new battle rappers fucking suck and are extremely boring
continue until i disagree
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and some older more respected dudes that we all know should be killing everything (AYE VERB, CHARLIE CLIPS) have become .......idk, complacent?? ppl were saying its because of kotd but then they go on url and start doing that exact same wack snoozeville w/e idc about this battle w/e im too good for this shit.....why dont they just give it up then??
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divas, egos, bars: the untold story of the death of battle rap
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Old 05-28-2015, 07:59 PM   #9
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It feels a lot like when the blogs were at critical mass for breaking new artists. It seemed like they were cosigning someone new every fifteen minutes, a lot of whom were biting styles of rappers who were already successful. Speaking of which--kinda miss tuning in to battles and seeing people who bring their own unique style of rapping into battling, as opposed to just having a style they adapted from how other people battle, if that makes any sense.
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It feels a lot like when the blogs were at critical mass for breaking new artists. It seemed like they were cosigning someone new every fifteen minutes, a lot of whom were biting styles of rappers who were already successful. Speaking of which--kinda miss tuning in to battles and seeing people who bring their own unique style of rapping into battling, as opposed to just having a style they adapted from how other people battle, if that makes any sense.
yes it makes perfect sense...these dudes lack personality, theres nothing interesting about them at all like why the fuck do i wanna listen to these guys take turns rapping for five minutes straight
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yes it makes perfect sense...these dudes lack personality, theres nothing interesting about them at all like why the fuck do i wanna listen to these guys take turns rapping for five minutes straight
I don't wanna generalize--there are a lot of dudes who are newer whose work I enjoy, and a lot of dudes who are at the peak of their ability after battling a long time. But it's hard to keep up with everything and everyone on a regular basis.
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It feels a lot like when the blogs were at critical mass for breaking new artists. It seemed like they were cosigning someone new every fifteen minutes, a lot of whom were biting styles of rappers who were already successful. Speaking of which--kinda miss tuning in to battles and seeing people who bring their own unique style of rapping into battling, as opposed to just having a style they adapted from how other people battle, if that makes any sense.
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Judged battles.

I actually think battling as a whole is in a much better place than it was a year ago. The creativity and diversity coming out of DF is inspiring. The three big leagues are all doing very well right now. But, judged battles and battlers not being pussies and actually trying something new are my top two suggestions
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Old 05-28-2015, 08:05 PM   #14
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By this Saturday, 3 arguable classics (Thesaurus/Rone, Math/Chilla & Soul/Cee) will all have dropped within a week.

WITHIN A WEEK!

Nah I'm really enjoying battle rap right now. KotD's B2B thing is brilliant, DF have been innovating and making good moves for time (beat battles, bringing back 2 on 2s and freestyle, the US stuff) even URL are shaking things up a bit with events like Rookies vs Vets. All in all, it feels fresher than it has done for a while, IMO.

What you say about a lot of big names going through the motions might be true, but every artist has a shelf life. Onto the next batch.

Also, watching E-Ness vs Bill Collector will restore anybody's faith in battle rap instantly.

Try that.
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Old 05-28-2015, 08:07 PM   #15
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I posted this in the "I remember when kotd..." Thread earlier, but it applies here as well.

I remember when KOTD battlers almost strictly battled KOTD battlers.

Fresh coast almost strictly battled fresh coast.

And URL or street battlers strictly battled URL or street battlers.

Don't flop strictly don't flop.

So, when the time to do an interleague matchup like World Domination happened, the "dream match ups" so to speak were actually interesting and exciting because it was rare, and not done in excess.

Worlds were colliding.

Now, it happens every event so battling isn't special anymore. There's no "dream match ups" or one turf vs the other turf, so the hype has died down.

It's like WCW vs WWF in the 90s. People would dream about certain stars in wcw vs certain stars in wwf.

When wwf bought wcw, the fans dreams were coming to reality and it was exciting. However, it ended up bombing bc it happened all the time, and it just became wwf/e. There was nothing special anymore.

If they kept the two brands separate like they originally planned, then inter promotional match ups would've stayed interesting and business would've continued to boom for much longer, as opposed to now where they're just stuck with wrestler a. Vs wrestler b with no hype surrounding it whatsoever unless it's from a returning legend.

Battle rap is almost the exact same way.
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Ness, just chill until someone like Soul seeks you out.
That's the advantage of having legend status. Your reputation precedes you.

BTW, pls don't stop battling until you battle Bender.
Top 5 most anticipated match for me.
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im with you b. i used to watch damn near every battle with a half decent name. now i can't be bothered to check most and the ones i do check i rarely get through.
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Oh, and watch that Charron freestyle battle.

Eurgh giving that Pedro boi support, laughs all 'round.
Autistic Charron showing why his freestyle game is too advanced for these mortals.
100 Bullets, Unan chilling with the homies.

Good content from DF. Back to the roots shit.
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Ness, just chill until someone like Soul seeks you out.
That's the advantage of having legend status. Your reputation precedes you.

BTW, pls don't stop battling until you battle Bender.
Top 5 most anticipated match for me.
if by "until someone like Soul seeks you out" you mean wait for a Soul battle, then https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLHerwA9Y24 lol enjoi
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no, I'm aware of the Soul battle. That shit is fire.

I'm just sayin Ness is in a good position to school some of these up-and-comers and elevate their game.
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I posted this in the "I remember when kotd..." Thread earlier, but it applies here as well.

I remember when KOTD battlers almost strictly battled KOTD battlers.

Fresh coast almost strictly battled fresh coast.

And URL or street battlers strictly battled URL or street battlers.

Don't flop strictly don't flop.

So, when the time to do an interleague matchup like World Domination happened, the "dream match ups" so to speak were actually interesting and exciting because it was rare, and not done in excess.

Worlds were colliding.

Now, it happens every event so battling isn't special anymore. There's no "dream match ups" or one turf vs the other turf, so the hype has died down.

Bravo sir, I agree whole heartedly. However, the reason the invasion angle failed was because the WCW wrestlers they brought over were all ass.
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i think its a matter of the wave almost crashin ness
shit is undoubtedly moving to the apex and at an alarming rate, jus not in any way that allows it to maintain

imo you a polarizing figure in this shit -- battle someone like Bigg K and make a classic, challenge yourself to write something new or to adopt a new style, idk
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Oh, and watch that Charron freestyle battle.

Eurgh giving that Pedro boi support, laughs all 'round.
Autistic Charron showing why his freestyle game is too advanced for these mortals.
100 Bullets, Unan chilling with the homies.

Good content from DF. Back to the roots shit.
thats the only one i watched honestly. DF is definitely doing something different all the time
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Still battling Bender or nah?
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and truthfully ppv is a gift and a curse.

by the time the actual release has come around the topics been beat to death. i mean shit, we got 20 topics about pat/cal going by now. i got bored talking about that shit 24 hours after the ppv aired, im not about to have another debate about whether or not cal punked pat 3 weeks from now when it comes out on youtube.

hollow/clips? ill probably peep hollows rounds again.

rone/saurus was a classic imo, but i haven't even watched the release.

i watched you vs soul a few times on ppv, but i won't lie, i haven't watched the youtube version.

these are all battles that i will watch on youtube at some point, but i need a cooloff period and by the time i do watch it it won't be in sync with when everyone else is watching it (since i feel a lot of the fans are like this) so there's no one to talk about it with.
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i'm sure it'll happen eventually. will anyone give a fuck by the time it does is my question lol
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and truthfully ppv is a gift and a curse.

by the time the actual release has come around the topics been beat to death. i mean shit, we got 20 topics about pat/cal going by now. i got bored talking about that shit 24 hours after the ppv aired, im not about to have another debate about whether or not cal punked pat 3 weeks from now when it comes out on youtube.

hollow/clips? ill probably peep hollows rounds again.

rone/saurus was a classic imo, but i haven't even watched the release.

i watched you vs soul a few times on ppv, but i won't lie, i haven't watched the youtube version.

these are all battles that i will watch on youtube at some point, but i need a cooloff period and by the time i do watch it it won't be in sync with when everyone else is watching it (since i feel a lot of the fans are like this) so there's no one to talk about it with.
yeah man i feel that

also the bootlegging of said battles

i always felt like bootleggers were lame but for some reason seeing smack battles bootlegged recently drove the point home on how real shit is.
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There is more terrible battle-rap than there ever has been, and the worst part is that these terrible battle-rappers are getting main-stage opportunities, and critical acclaim, even on forums like this, and it's infuriating to witness.

I don't think battle-rappers are being anywhere near guileful or enterprising enough when it comes to designing rhyme patterns. Most battle-rappers perpetuate the same plain-spoken and cumbersome 2 syllable rhyme combos. I think the commercialisation of Battle-Rap has contributed to this crisis. Loads of battlers have no more integrity or merit than the most decadent & low-brow mainstream Hip-Hop. I just want battlers to be more erudite. @Ness Lee, I know you've noticed this particular artistic degeneration. I made a thread about it a few days ago. http://rmbva.com/dizaster-actually-m...nt-t20362.html. You're not alone in your views.

HOWEVER there is still a talented minority of Battle-Rappers, such as Rone, who continue to be daring, inventive, entertaining, compelling, and I remain an observer purely because of them (as-well for my gusto for RMBVA, but you know what I mean)

I think there should be some kind of rule that the league's ONLY upload a video if it's a great battle to watch. I know that's a bit arbitrary, but there should be SO much more quality control about which battles get up-loaded, and which battles get vaulted. Way more battles should get shelved than actually do.

To cut a long story short, for me Battle-Rap is like 90% horrendous, 10% awesome.

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ness vs bender will be fire whenever it happens. ya'll could battle 6 years from now on beastmode and id peep.
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echo what @The Kurgan said. and he's not even mentioning pedro/charron which was wildly entertaining (YOU MUST MAINTAIN YOUR INTEGRITY!)

people just naturally lose interest in things. it happens, especially when you devote a ton of time into it. with the number of battles, blogs, and general noise happening nowadays it's going to fatigue people, but you kinda just have to figure out what to tune into and what to tune out.
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Rounds are too long and all of the content is way too similar imo

Battling lacks the comedic traits it once had.
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Rounds are too long and all of the content is way too similar imo

Battling lacks the comedic traits it once had.
bruh, that first statement....the accuracy. gimme 24 minutes or less. if you cant cook a nigga in 3 minutes....a REAL three minutes then its something wrong with your shit
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Rounds are too long and all of the content is way too similar imo

Battling lacks the comedic traits it once had.
yeah the comedy thing is a good point.

you shouldn't be allowed to host an event if oshea isn't on the card. but instead of legitimately funny people like oshea we're getting michael cera like gimmicks just pretending to be a cat obsessed awkward teenager every battle.
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URL needs to bring the clock back. half the battle these days is waiting for the url crowd to stop reacting to that mediocre bar that has been said 20 different times before.

it'd be like if in boxing the ref stopped the fight after every jab to make sure the dudes alright...
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Old 05-28-2015, 08:51 PM   #35
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Over saturation plays a big part in my opinion. I think that most hobbies/art forms follow this trend to some extent; the originators are hailed as legends, not saying they shouldn't be, and they pave the way for the golden age and everything is awesome for a while. Then the decline starts, slowly at first, and there will be the occasional peak but at this point there's more valleys. Then it gets to a point where it seems like everybody and their brother is doing it (garage bands in the 80s, anyone with a $10 mic trying to rap these days, etc). I think there's another big peak in battle rap waiting to be reached but right now I definitely agree, even the biggest names aren't bringing the same energy to battles anymore.

I honestly don't know what the solution would be. You can only throw so much money at something, and half the time that doesn't even work (see total slaughter). There's no guaranteed way to intrinsically motivate people, we might just have to accept that this is what we have to work with and try to move forward as best we can. I think there's definitely still dope battlers out there who have the passion for this that it seemed like all battlers possessed back in 08, but they're buried under hundreds of mediocre rappers who just bite their style.
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i actually felt exactly the same way but then the DNA/K-Shine 2v2, Math vs Chilla and especially Rone vs Saurus came out. now i have hope again.
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Like back in the GT era, for lack of a better way to refer to that time period, it seemed like you could click on any URL or GT battle and be entertained. Ness is right, I can't even tell you the last time I watched a full battle lately
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@Ness Lee I feel you homie. A lot people ruined battle rap for us in many ways. It's almost like you could compare it to the economy and it's downfall. I'm sure very rich and famous emcees could get together as a team and make it bigger thoa. But they won't. Like you think Alki David is going to use his billions to help anyone in the battle world? nope... RIP Battle rap you had a good run though.
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You have to battle at No Coast (north) to re ignite the flame Ness
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