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Old 05-09-2016, 07:30 PM   #41
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So the network deal was basically selling all the old GTN footage to them? You only got a $35k salary for that, nothing, or even more on top? No diss, just genuinely curious. I had this early timeline:

06/17/2014 - Fresh Coast Media Group, LLC registered as a business entity in California

07/30/2014 - FilmOn partnership announced with FCMG and GTN footage released on FilmOn's web site
http://battlerap.com/news/2014/07/26...ship-filmon-tv

08/18/2014 - FilmOn releases official press release announcing Fresh Coast channel and Ether PPV event.
http://www.marketwired.com/press-rel...st-1939049.htm

08/21/2014 - Lush says he signed a network deal with FilmOn to have his own channel. Says KOTD is part owner of Fresh Coast Media Group and that Grind Time has the opportunity to do really cool shit...if Madd Illz was willing. (This was weeks after FilmOn acquired and already streaming/monetizing GTN footage). Other Ether videos say the owners of FCMG are Lush, G Money, and Kusheim, the same cat who supposedly finessed him into the deal from the start.
http://battlerap.com/news/2014/08/31...era-battle-rap
http://battlerap.com/news/2014/08/31...uture-king-dot

09/05/2014 - J Pro posts blog on rapgrid.com discussing plan with FilmOn stating FilmOn will be promoted on KOTD's channel and KOTD West Coast battles will be released onto FilmOn's PPV platform before releasing on KOTD's YouTube.
http://www.rapgrid.com/fresh-coast-x...s-really-going

KOTD and Organik seemed to have axed that though.

02/23/2015 - PH makes this tweet about FilmOn streaming GTN battles. Lush says he don't know why, but will find out.

Salute on being a crazy risk taker and making shit happen. I thought it was a bad idea from the start though. Just look at them suing Chief Keef for a million now. The agreement listed Fresh Coast Media Group as the liaison and essentially managing him for FilmOn, getting 10% royalties in exchange, but they suing his other managers. This agreement was 6 months after Ether too (signed May 1, 2015).
https://hiphopsrevival.files.wordpre...-complaint.pdf

The interview was really just a repeat of what was said with the Serius Jones beef. Doesn't make much sense to do biz with someone who burned you so bad 6 months after they burned you. Some kind of secrecy with them getting GTN footage cause it cut Madd Illz and everyone in the battles out of the equation.

Will an interview ever happen that actually discusses how they acquired GTN footage? Looking at the timeline that is what seems to have made Ether even happen. That's more interesting than hearing the same thing about Alki not paying or allocating fundsor how his wife's a dyke. If you never gave them GTN footage, would they have still made a deal with you? Was giving them GTN footage just a backup plan cause KOTD didn't want to do the deal? Seems like them acquiring the footage was the basis of the network deal and then everything moved forward after.
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Well we (Avo & myself) financed, look losses on, shot, edited, & developed that content ourselves. We were the main reason GT took off and everyone left because they didn't wanna work with illz. Like, literally everyone from DRECT, to Kap, to Pen, myself, and the rest.

No one really came up off of that.. If anything Illz is STILL caking on YouTube off the merit of OUR content.. But it's all good, no one really that interested besides you Mayen lol
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But it's all good, no one really that interested besides you Mayen lol
PH was and you gave him the run around a good 7-8 months from the time they were streaming. Doing that to one of the realest heads in the game for your own benefit said a lot to me. No offense at all. I know it's a touchy subject and I ain't just bringing it up to be a dick cause I hit him up on it while he was still alive. I just always thought it was weird from the time it happened. Why contact Illz to be involved and then sell anyway when he didn't agree and then still act like he could be a part of it in interviews after the fact?

I know in the past you told heads to flag GTN battles cause they didn't own them. If you guys think you own licenses to all that content to sell it, why act like it's a secret and you don't know how FilmOn got it? FilmOn isn't going to care about streaming unlicensed content cause they already been sued for it. When I first saw this partnership announced I was hoping to see some dope shit. When I saw nothing but old GTN battles, it was a big WTF.

Ether only happening because of old GTN footage is simply amazing. Alki got finessed hard...lol. Salute! Hope you still getting royalties off him too on some double finessing. I think real journalists would ask you these tough questions if they knew, but it's not something you've ever talked about for the obvious reasons. Just my opinion. I still think you're trill and respect your work. Just don't respect the funny shit in the mix.
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PH was and you gave him the run around a good 7-8 months from the time they were streaming. Doing that to one of the realest heads in the game for your own benefit said a lot to me. No offense at all. I know it's a touchy subject and I ain't just bringing it up to be a dick cause I hit him up on it while he was still alive. I just always thought it was weird from the time it happened. Why contact Illz to be involved and then sell anyway when he didn't agree and then still act like he could be a part of it in interviews after the fact?

I know in the past you told heads to flag GTN battles cause they didn't own them. If you guys think you own licenses to all that content to sell it, why act like it's a secret and you don't know how FilmOn got it? FilmOn isn't going to care about streaming unlicensed content cause they already been sued for it. When I first saw this partnership announced I was hoping to see some dope shit. When I saw nothing but old GTN battles, it was a big WTF.

Ether only happening because of old GTN footage is simply amazing. Alki got finessed hard...lol. Salute! Hope you still getting royalties off him too on some double finessing. I think real journalists would ask you these tough questions if they knew, but it's not something you've ever talked about for the obvious reasons. Just my opinion. I still think you're trill and respect your work. Just don't respect the funny shit in the mix.
You need to make the first battle rap investigative journalist site or blog tbh.
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@versesmc i agree with rogerrrr
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PH was and you gave him the run around a good 7-8 months from the time they were streaming. Doing that to one of the realest heads in the game for your own benefit said a lot to me. No offense at all. I know it's a touchy subject and I ain't just bringing it up to be a dick cause I hit him up on it while he was still alive. I just always thought it was weird from the time it happened. Why contact Illz to be involved and then sell anyway when he didn't agree and then still act like he could be a part of it in interviews after the fact?

I know in the past you told heads to flag GTN battles cause they didn't own them. If you guys think you own licenses to all that content to sell it, why act like it's a secret and you don't know how FilmOn got it? FilmOn isn't going to care about streaming unlicensed content cause they already been sued for it. When I first saw this partnership announced I was hoping to see some dope shit. When I saw nothing but old GTN battles, it was a big WTF.

Ether only happening because of old GTN footage is simply amazing. Alki got finessed hard...lol. Salute! Hope you still getting royalties off him too on some double finessing. I think real journalists would ask you these tough questions if they knew, but it's not something you've ever talked about for the obvious reasons. Just my opinion. I still think you're trill and respect your work. Just don't respect the funny shit in the mix.
That channel was an exciting prospect but literally no one watches that shit.. I wasn't aware it was even still up last year..

Yeah they got broadcasting rights but non-exclusive..

Who did we have to obtain the footage from? It was ours.. I told illz too I was using it.. He wasn't trippin
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you didn't even google Alki's name before signing a huge contract with him tho?
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you didn't even google Alki's name before signing a huge contract with him tho?
i think the prospect of working with a billionaire was just too appealing so I overlooked some of his quirks at first which eventually led to me not being able to succeed in this instance
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Keep comin bak my boiiiiii !
Indeed!

On the real - you looked healthy in the Rapgrid piece. Like the younger Lush from a bit back. I get that feeling. Smoking out ain't nothing. You can keep the rest at bay, you'll be alright.

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I wasn't aware it was even still up last year..

Yeah they got broadcasting rights but non-exclusive..

Who did we have to obtain the footage from? It was ours..
It's been streaming 24/7 since you gave it to them...lol It's not just on their site, it's on their over-the-air TV channel and app and they make money off ads. In order to even assign them broadcasting rights or sell it, you'd need to have consent/release forms or agreements with every MC or whoever is in the footage granting you those rights. If agreements were done under GTN, they'd have to sub-license or transfer those rights to you, if they even had those rights. If they weren't done at all originally, you could have obtained releases from MCs directly, but they'd probably want to be compensated to do that. Without agreements, you just own footage you can't legally commercialize or sub-license.

Just cause you shoot or edit footage doesn't mean you have the rights to make money off it. You wouldn't have the rights to any of the MCs likeness, lyrics, performance, or anything else without an agreement releasing those rights. Basic copyright law. Any legit broadcaster or company looking to buy footage will make you show documentation that you have all the releases and own all the rights to everything, even location releases unless shot in a public area.

You finessed them into paying for content you didn't own the full rights or licensing to and got them to fund a major event based on it. I guess you made out, but unless they are really dumb, they most likely had you sign something with an indemnification clause that leaves any damages on you. If you claim you don't know they still streaming, I'm sure there are heads that don't know their shit was even sold.
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All artists in GT signed consent forms, they in avocado's trapper keeper..

That content was not the basis of getting that budget allocated tho..

No one really cares anyway and FilmOn doesn't generate that much ad revenue.. Even on their cable network (which is only available via dish network aka an archaic system no one really uses lol)
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