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Old 12-26-2018, 07:34 PM   #1
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Old 12-26-2018, 07:49 PM   #2
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This battle definitely shows that Soul has still got some way to go... how you gonna get outswagged by Illmac, lol.

Illmac won the first really clearly,
Soul edged him out the second,
All that multi-stacking for Soul in the third made me tune out. I genuinely almost pressed the skip 10s button, only resisting because I knew Soul would end it strong and he did. Fire final bar, the rest was meh. Illmac then comfortably took the round with the humor, swag and more natural rapping.

Clear 2:1 to Illmac.
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Had this 3-0 Illmac very clearly

Honestly could see this battle looking like a body if I watch it enough

There wasn't a single thing Soul did in this battle better than Illmac
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I think this is like an Illmac/Bender situation. Soul did really well, and I feel like his performance could’ve beaten anyone else, but Illmac leveled up yet again and showed why he’s considered a legend.
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souls not good here at all its brutal

whole first round pre vatican line was just plain old bad

audio sucks at times illmac 3-0 crowds good though
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audio sucks at times illmac 3-0 crowds good though
I wonder if the obvious bias towards Soul with the audio was one of the reasons this was debatable live. There are points I genuinely couldn't hear what he said. His effigy bar is particularly hard to hear.

Unfortunately for Soul when Illmac slows it down he is so much more charismatic which made Soul look really bland like Illmac claimed.
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I wonder if the obvious bias towards Soul with the audio was one of the reasons this was debatable live. There are points I genuinely couldn't hear what he said. His effigy bar is particularly hard to hear.

Unfortunately for Soul when Illmac slows it down he is so much more charismatic which made Soul look really bland like Illmac claimed.
Yea i used to find spul bland then he won me over nh but this battle it was torture sitting through his rounds...the writing was meh also ... illmac is right that the setups to souls punches take the air out of his closers. Easy win for illmac
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Soul sucks ass, majorly here (edit: I don't feel bad saying this, as I typically like watching his battles) but holy fucked he was out classed...... one long ass repetitive rhyme scheme with no real content
He got washed.

Removed the extras, as I still like the guy.
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one long ass repetitive rhyme scheme with no real content
He got washed
Yeah lol. There is a guy on Ruin Your Day trying to say how amazing his rhyme scheme was:
'missing your identity / drifted from it steadily /clinging for it desperately / this distorted entity / bitter source of emnity / twisted sort of effigy / distant thought a memory / living off his legacy'

Who writes shit like 'distorted entity', 'twisted sort of effigy' and 'source of emnity' and thinks it is tight?!? It's Soul regressing to his previous overwritten style. It's after Christmas; time to trim that flab, son!
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Yeah lol. There is a guy on Ruin Your Day trying to say how amazing his rhyme scheme was:
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Who writes shit like 'distorted entity', 'twisted sort of effigy' and 'source of emnity' and thinks it is tight?!? It's Soul regressing to his previous overwritten style. It's after Christmas; time to trim that flab, son!
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Soul sucks ass, majorly here (edit: I don't feel bad saying this, as I typically like watching his battles) but holy fucked he was out classed...... one long ass repetitive rhyme scheme with no real content
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Spot on

I like soul most of then time but he just bored the hell out of me here and lost badly
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soul sucked vs bender and he was also not very good here. shame he didn't have the kinda material and performance here like he had vs tony d or gemini.
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soul wasted way too much time on the same scheme, severely limiting his ability to cover ground. people are slow to realize they're unlikely to outrap illmac and most angles are far overdone and played. just bar out the best you can with minimal personals. soul's bigger schemes were not great either, picked bad multis, bruv. his angle on greg changing who he is depending on who he's with was excellent, tho.
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"that red light on him like Roxanne."

How has this never been said before? Awesome line
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Pretty solid battle. That crowd is great.
they were good in the sense they were receptive and there to have a good time. but they were fucking horrible in that early-KOTD-overreact-to-every-single-line way.

one of the most annoying things ever to me is crowds who somehow can't tell when the end of the scheme is coming and immediately go nuts for the setups. great, you just killed off their entire momentum and now they have too repeat the same 4 bars 2-3x in a row, diminishing their value.

and maybe its just me, but i fucking HATE it when they repeat the lines back with the battlers. just STFU and let the rappers rap. i can only imagine how unbelievably unbearable this crowd would be with JC rapping
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"that red light on him like Roxanne."

How has this never been said before? Awesome line
This is my favorite kind of bar in battle rap. Simple, obvious, straight to the point, and not said before. Actually made me chuckle a bit when I heard it.

3-0 Illmac, but I wouldn't disagree with 2-1 if we're being generous during this holiday season.
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those are what punchlines should be and are the opposite of the garbage forced wordplay everyone does now. the skill should be in drawing the connection between a known phrase or reference and the double meaning you're uniquely tying it to. not butchering the english language to almost pronounce a made up phrase that makes no sense.

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gettin trains run on em like a damsel in distress
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Great battle, I think Illmac just got it 2-1.

I feel like some of the problems people have with Soul is fair but made worse by the crowd gassing it and making him repeat parts before he got to the punch, it did feel a bit "multieszzss bruv" at times but he still was great all 3 imo.
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Great battle, I think Illmac just got it 2-1.

I feel like some of the problems people have with Soul is fair but made worse by the crowd gassing it and making him repeat parts before he got to the punch, it did feel a bit "multieszzss bruv" at times but he still was great all 3 imo.
I always think everyone has one version of Soul they like and a few they can't stand. This was more 'spitting ravenous flames' Soul than 'snake emoji' Soul, so it's not surprising it turned a few guys off.

Still it wasn't Wire and Dungeons and Dragons Soul at least...
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Idk if soul dropped the ball or his true colors shown vs someone like illmac. pretty outclassed

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those are what punchlines should be and are the opposite of the garbage forced wordplay everyone does now. the skill should be in drawing the connection between a known phrase or reference and the double meaning you're uniquely tying it to. not butchering the english language to almost pronounce a made up phrase that makes no sense.

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gettin trains run on em like a damsel in distress
You get it. I dunno why everyone else doesn't. Slow it down/Subtitles and anything of the like are some of the dumbest shits I've ever heard in battle rap, but for some reason people go crazy for them.

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Yeah lol. There is a guy on Ruin Your Day trying to say how amazing his rhyme scheme was:
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General rule: when your rapping includes parts that sound like a pretentious first-year university student's report on Kafka (Clearly Kafka here represents his protagonist as a distorted entity. By illustrating his source of emnity with the modern world, he masterfully morphs him into a twisted sort of effigy...) you damn sure overwrote...
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General rule: when your rapping includes parts that sound like a pretentious first-year university student's report on Kafka (Clearly Kafka here represents his protagonist as a distorted entity. By illustrating his source of emnity with the modern world, he masterfully morphs him into a twisted sort of effigy...) you damn sure overwrote...
lol what is wrong with "distorted entity"? I don't understand

and, I mean, he overwrote when you add all that shit that isn't actually there:

Missin' your identity, drifted from it steadily
Clingin' for it desperately, to this distorted entity,
a bitter source of enmity, a twisted sort of effigy,
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Unnecessarily adding Kafka and somehow reading this as a timeline of events would definitely make it pretentious. It's all one description & put together really well
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Firstly nice to hear from someone who voted for Soul. Guys shouldn't be afraid to stick up for less popular opinions here.

With that said...

In what way would Illmac be an entity or an effigy?

An entity is 'a thing with distinct and independent existence'. Perhaps he could be referring to Illmac's character as a rapper as an entity, but why would that be paired with distorted?

An effigy is an image or representation of a person often made with the intent of destroying it as an act of protest. Why is Illmac one and why is he a twisted sort of one?!?

I am rapidly going from meh to DNA-level horrible, the more I think about this.
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haha I didn't vote for Soul, Illmac won.

but this is just basic metaphorical language man:

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because he's saying the figure or general idea of Illmac in battle rap, once seen as legendary, has become distorted with time. warped. twisted (!!!). his image is no longer what it was. he's saying Illmac's fallen off and fucked up his standing in the scene.

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an effigy is a lifeless embodiment that only represents someone, and is not actually the somebody it represents. they're not all specifically made with the intent of destroying them, that's just a popular use for them. a sculpture is an effigy. although adding the "about to be destroyed" part of the definition would only help out the metaphor.

and because Soul is speaking metaphorically and not actually calling Illmac, like, a statue, he's saying the 2018 Illmac he's battling is only a checked out, crude, twisted/distorted representation of a legendary battle rapper that doesn't exist anymore. or "a distant thought, a memory just livin' off his legacy."
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lol what is wrong with "distorted entity"? I don't understand

and, I mean, he overwrote when you add all that shit that isn't actually there:

Missin' your identity, drifted from it steadily
Clingin' for it desperately, to this distorted entity,
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Unnecessarily adding Kafka and somehow reading this as a timeline of events would definitely make it pretentious. It's all one description & put together really well
that shit is not good at all
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Old 01-04-2019, 12:11 PM   #31
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he wasted 4 bars cramming bleh multis together with a rhyme scheme that lends itself to like a million different options. that is not impressive. a big chunk of them are like the exact same structure which is not good either.

bunch of filler rhymes to attack an angle that doesn't even make sense lol

illmac has been crushing fools steadily for the last few years and putting out sick music, the whole "living off his legacy" shit is played and doesn't even make sense. it was dope when pete brought it up cuz dude wasn't doin so hot

plus he did it in funny/creative ways

soul ate up so much time doing stupid shit like that. woulda had a better shot at winning if he spread out a bit more
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Old 01-04-2019, 12:12 PM   #32
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shit sounds like mad libs
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Old 01-04-2019, 04:09 PM   #33
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Who writes shit like 'distorted entity', 'twisted sort of effigy' and 'source of emnity' and thinks it is tight?!?

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Old 01-05-2019, 04:28 PM   #34
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soul is a talented writer but what you posted is super pretentious
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I think this is like an Illmac/Bender situation. Soul did really well, and I feel like his performance could’ve beaten anyone else, but Illmac leveled up yet again and showed why he’s considered a legend.
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Basically progressing to the next level of stats and abilities, since he was extremely on point in the approaches he took against Soul.
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Great battle, I had Illmac edging it in the end tho
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Basically progressing to the next level of stats and abilities, since he was extremely on point in the approaches he took against Soul.
I Understand What Levelling Up Means.
I Was Wondering Whether You Meant That He Levelled Up Specifically For This Battle Or Was On A Steady Incline?
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