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Old 01-02-2016, 07:02 PM   #1
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Does KOTD realize illmac having the chain does nothing for their brand ?

I know u guys just love illmaculate and all but....

How many views does he generate ?

If he battled Hollow TODAY would anyone care ? Would it warrant a top PPV card ?

Rone however could be top 5. No problem.

If rone wins that title boyyyyyy that'd make KOTD so
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I know u guys just love illmaculate and all but....

How many views does he generate ?

If he battled Hollow TODAY would anyone care ? Would it warrant a top PPV card ?

Rone however could be top 5. No problem.

If rone wins that title boyyyyyy that'd make KOTD so
Much more interesting.
Illmaculate's popularity really isn't as high as it should be based on his ability, accolades, and status as a legend. It's because he is a rapper and doesn't have the performance ability or appeal of a Dizaster or Pat Stay.People like Illmac are an example of why Daylyt does the wild shit he does. Illmac being champion probably isn't as beneficial to KOTD as having Pat or Diz was.
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Of course. This board is always so biased they can't admit the truth. Regardless of how talented illmaculate is (and he is talented) he is not the image to take the KOTD brand higher.

Now bring on the posts about how that stuff doesn't matter and so forth.
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i think it's just that Illmac is a rather reserved guy that doesn't go out of his way to do flashy shit or even promote himself much tbh (which i very much like about him but it makes him stand out less overall).

also i don't know who made the decision for that intro music clip but yeah, choosing part of the worst verse he's released in a long time is probably not the greatest idea either. i'm bumpin the Only&Ill album from time to time and whenever Commercial comes on, i skip straight to Bigg K's verse and skip the song after it.

btw Hollow vs Illmac is my dream battle rematch, in fact it is the single battle i wanna see the most right now. but i'm a weirdo so take that however you will.
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I'm not sure branding is the only reason to have a champ. It's also to give battlers something to aspire to and chase, and having someone like Illmac, who has easily earned his position, says to a lot of guys in KOTD they can make it. Also, he did beat Pat fair and square, so...

KOTD as a brand is doing fine regardless of who the title holder is. Watch, Pat will have a bigger opponent than Rone on Blackout, and will still be talked about just as much without the title and will widely be regarded as one of the league's flagship battlers.
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I know u guys just love illmaculate and all but....

How many views does he generate ?

If he battled Hollow TODAY would anyone care ? Would it warrant a top PPV card ?

Rone however could be top 5. No problem.

If rone wins that title boyyyyyy that'd make KOTD so
Much more interesting.
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Do they realize that having any battler as their champ does nothing for their brand?
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biggest problem is is theres no realistic interesting matchups for illmac after rone. top tiers dont care to battle him cuz if they wanted to they would have by now. illmac aint gonna all of a sudden become a view getter.

hes one of the battlers that the backpacker crew likes to label a legend but he doesnt really have any of the same qualifications as the universally regarded legends. he's just been around forever and can get by/not get washed against some top tiers. he gives em enough material so they can argue on the net about how he won or is a legend. but most ppl that watch battle rap dont list him as one of the GOATs
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KOTD has a nice triple threat-round robin with title matches between Mac/Rone/Fresco. Carter Deems is still the unofficial champ tho.
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i mean you have a point, but look at the flip side-

if pat stay was still champ this thread reads "Having pat stay stuck as the champion is bad for KOTDs image, he's their biggest name and he's forced to battle Charrons and Illmacs instead of bigger names like Hollow Da Don"
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on the other hand, i was kind of hoping being the KOTD champ might do something for Illmac but then i realised the people that both want the chain and deserve a shot at it are not particularly exciting matchups for him, usually ones that he could have taken anyways. i just wish he would become as good as he was around 2010-11 again but i think the fact that he wanted that chain so bad and i'm sure is gonna wanna keep it now actually will prevent his performances from being as dynamic and daring as they used to be, simply because he's been going with an extremely strategic approach that will probably allow him to keep winning consistently but is so planned through and defensive it just makes the battles themselves boring. the Pat Stay match is the best example of that.
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i think illmac can put on a decent/good battle with pretty much anyone so he is fine as the champ
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i mean you have a point, but look at the flip side-

if pat stay was still champ this thread reads "Having pat stay stuck as the champion is bad for KOTDs image, he's their biggest name and he's forced to battle Charrons and Illmacs instead of bigger names like Hollow Da Don"
yea, it is definitely a give and take.they can make bigger matchups now that they can put pat against whoever they want. that is a good point. There are advantages to not having the title on your biggest names. The title match will get attention regardless, and then you can create additional big matches for the event.
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I'm not sure branding is the only reason to have a champ. It's also to give battlers something to aspire to and chase, and having someone like Illmac, who has easily earned his position, says to a lot of guys in KOTD they can make it. Also, he did beat Pat fair and square, so...

KOTD as a brand is doing fine regardless of who the title holder is. Watch, Pat will have a bigger opponent than Rone on Blackout, and will still be talked about just as much without the title and will widely be regarded as one of the league's flagship battlers.

this except theres fuck all to aspire to cuz battles arent judged and contenders are random fucks or the hype at the time

i aint bout to start ranting about not judging battles again tho...but yea it should be something ANYONE can attain if they earn it its strutured like shit its never the 2 best fighting for the championship ever. never once.
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I understand KOTD's thinking. Illmac actually has something of a music career and that looks good for their brand.
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like is ill mac and rone the #1 and #2 in te league right now? or in battle rap?

are they on the biggest win streaks?

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I know for a fact they are 100% aware ..

They had to do it for 1) politics 2) respect for illmacs legend status n drive 3) timing 4) Macs respect for the craft

He's not an exciting figure on any level tho ... n yes they know that
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The fact that its a chain is already really lame I don't get that
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not after they kept using that shitty intro of his he dont
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Illmac has a lot going for him. He's about to sing a deal and go commercial. He's also putting out projects, so fire.
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How many Americans are in line for title contention before a Canadian is tho? I mean honestly who do they have to push other than charron?

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Haha. Can't believe nobody's ever used this against him.
Why would they? Doing songs with one of the most popular artists in the world is a good look in most cases, even if it is with someone like Macklemore.
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Haha. Can't believe nobody's ever used this against him.
impossible to make that work. nobody in the crowd would know wtf Illmac's opponent would be talking about, and even if they would they wouldn't give a flying fuck. that's the kind of angle Diz takes from time to time, then when he realizes nobody gives a shit he giggles awkwardly and changes subject.
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Macklemore is dope what are you talkin about

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illmac vs hollow would be a good rematch.. and i think illmac corny as shit

but thats a good match up.. much better then hollow vs pat stay
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honestly I categorize most battlers into two groups... you got the competitors and the entertainers

the chain has to be geared towards the competitive battlers... ones that really try to "win"... which imo will never be as popular as the daylyts, conceiteds, dumbfoundeads, who are there more for general entertainment

obviously some battlers have crossover appeal and can switch gears between the two "styles" but generally I see Illmac, Rone, caustic, charron, (the guys always in the chain discussion) as "competitors"... in that sense these are good matchups. it's just that I don't think the title match or the belt will ever be the biggest battle views wise on the card as long as it's the only judged battle. KOTDs main product is "entertaining" battles- the title match isn't really congruent with that. so in that sense I think Mac is a good look as champ as he's probably the best "competitive" battler out there right now.
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Does OP realize that hand picking the title holder would render my significance almost negligible because it represented brand recognition more than it represented champion status. I am a reward for the competitors, not for the fans. The chain is something that those deserving can attain... we've already discounted that in some ways by making me nearly impossible to attain for someone like charron who probably deserved it. To the best of my knowledge... the league has taken every reasonable measure to dictate the storylines and push certain narratives without removing all credibility. My rep and validity is already in serious question based on these facts. To say that one of the best who earned and deserves me should not be able to is asinine. The owners have done an excellent job routing this chain to please most parties based on deserving competitors and we've seen many quality holders. We've seen legends. We've had underdogs... We had the mostly Canadian and grass roots era. We've had a surprise defense. We've had American holders... we've had illmac. Thesaurus. Diz. Pat stay. Kid twist. Hollohan..... Don't be greedy man... the staff has done an excellent job with this.. even day got his chance..... for the fans... and he squandered it with a false message political pov. It's been a good run. Just chill.... illmac is a deserving champion.


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