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Old 01-27-2015, 05:01 AM   #41
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How is he alienating fans? It's unfair to both fans and other battlers when someone just shows up for a paycheck. Not only are you discouraging fans from spending money on events, but potential fans are turned away by lackluster shows. You're fucking up the promoter's money and you're fucking up other battlers' money for future bookings.

But good luck booking any big name battler if you're threatening to play with their money.
This wasn't an example of him going at fans, but here, OTBVA, groups of fans in talkback, are all at one time or another people he throws shots at. I take the shit as a grain of salt, because I know deep down the staff appreciate us, and they know we appreciate them. But yeah, I don't think much of it, but I still understand that it happens
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Old 01-27-2015, 05:05 AM   #42
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I already solved this issue in another thread if KOTD would just listen.
I don't know how to quote your quoted quote however you are spot on 150% correct. please kotd / url staff explain why this isn't a good idear
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Old 01-27-2015, 05:05 AM   #43
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just never book verb again, he sucks now.

his "excuses" lol.... anyone who believes that shit is a chump... and a cock sucker.

do you think PRO boxers just show up and decide they r gonna fight the first 9 rounds then give away the next 3?

LOL.. verb fans I swear... verb was once a great.. and no doubt hes a legend of this shit... but come on... just don't book him again... unless he is willing to accept half the pay for his next showing (if he shows up with fire rounds, then he can go back to getting paid his normal fees)

its not the battlers fault entirely.. they see loopholes in the system and abuse them.. eh.. its kinda shitty and real fans like me have no appreciation for it at all, but organic could have put his foot down and chose how much he pays these queers that don't try/suck... whatever their excuse may be... organic is the fucking boss and he needs to act like one
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Old 01-27-2015, 05:06 AM   #44
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lush had a good idea with incentives...penalties is really bad business
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Old 01-27-2015, 05:06 AM   #45
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just never book verb again, he sucks now.

his "excuses" lol.... anyone who believes that shit is a chump... and a cock sucker.

do you think PRO NFL teams or PRO boxers just show up and decide they r gonna fight the first 9 rounds then give away the next 3?

LOL.. verb fans I swear... verb was once a great.. and no doubt hes a legend of this shit... but come on... just don't book him again... unless he is willing to accept half the pay for his next showing (if he shows up with fire rounds, then he can go back to getting paid his normal fees)

its not the battlers fault entirely.. they see loopholes in the system and abuse them.. eh.. its kinda shitty and real fans like me have no appreciation for it at all, but organic could have put his foot down and chose how much he pays these queers that don't try/suck... whatever there excuse may be... organic is the fucking boss and he needs to act like one

wow this kid is a fucking moron.
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Aye Verb is pretty much a culture vulture at this point. He shows up for cash, gives a garbo performance and that's it. But really, the best thing to do is stop booking these guys if they do this stuff.
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wow this kid is a fucking moron.
lol u r an aye verb cocksucker.

you make me sick "kid"

its so nice of you to insult me for seemingly no reason, maybe you are just too much of a faggot or too retarded to find a reason to call me a moron..

I bet you win arguments all the time, or maybe not.. I doubt you ever leave the house with that post count, haha

I notice you are on my dick a lot lately, when did I upset you so much bro? I don't even know who the fuck you are... haha.. how do u have 7k posts and still your name doesn't ring a bell?
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Old 01-27-2015, 05:43 AM   #48
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Battling would be way better if after the battle there was a crowd poll )including PPV audicence.. Rating the battle between 1 and 10.

Adjust the battlerīs pay for the battle according to his average rating.

If they donīt do something to keep battlers on their toes, this shit is going to continue to rot.. The only reason that ANY competitive sport is popular is because its hard to do and a W and L is meaningful... 99% of the excitement is predicated on that..

Iīve already stopped watching 99% of battles because im sick of people sucking without their being any consequence

I donīt mind watching a battler suck as long as an L means something, but if it doesnt, why the fuck am I watching this shit

battling these days is such shit entertainment, still a lot of die hards out there tho
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lol u r an aye verb cocksucker.

you make me sick "kid"

its so nice of you to insult me for seemingly no reason, maybe you are just too much of a faggot or too retarded to find a reason to call me a moron..

I bet you win arguments all the time, or maybe not.. I doubt you ever leave the house with that post count, haha

I notice you are on my dick a lot lately, when did I upset you so much bro? I don't even know who the fuck you are... haha.. how do u have 7k posts and still your name doesn't ring a bell?
nope just a dumb post. you have the wit of an autistic child... please fallback. got nothing against you, except a post i felt was off-base.
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casual kinda just killed it w that lions scenario. got damn, standing ovation for that haha.
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Old 01-27-2015, 06:32 AM   #51
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one thing organik said on twitter that i thought was funny as fuck

"rappers keep bragging about not preparing for your opponent, we'll just brag about not inviting you back"
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Old 01-27-2015, 06:58 AM   #52
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so what? does that mean he didn't choke?

people get on street rappers like a motherfucker if they come light/stumble/choke etc, same goes for bender who has choked often.

or is it different because he uses multis?
nah, just because it's a failing of his. Clearly preparing and caring about the battle only to fuck up = "ah, well that sucks;" clearly not giving a shit and choking because you didn't care enough to prepare = "ah, well that guy's kind of an ass"
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Sounds like this is more of an issue of KOTD not being able to do proper business.
All a battler has to do is showup and perform....u aren't paying battlers for a good or bad performances...you are paying them for their name to be on that card and brand..All Verb had to do was showup and spit and he did his part of the deal now its up to you to market that battle right and make a profit off it.

Looks like you are having problem with making the money back from BO5....no one asked for a two day "Mega" event u set it up so deal with it.
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I think battle rap payment should be three parts. 1) Deposit, 2)Appearance, 3)Performance.

If you turn up and spit 3 clean rounds, no whack freestyle or major chokes,.

Then Dizaster will never battle again.
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Old 01-27-2015, 07:52 AM   #55
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I dont get how any of you guys can NOT agree with him? why would you want battlers to show up and half ass it ?
Only form of entertainment where the fans think its cool to do a bad performance, don't get that.
And dont give me that bullshit "only counts on url" thats stupid as fuck
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It's a bit rich coming from a company that's had numerous events where these performers weren't even allowed to get their battles in. So if you don't book the venue properly and these guys fly out, they should still get paid right?
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It's a bit rich coming from a company that's had numerous events where these performers weren't even allowed to get their battles in. So if you don't book the venue properly and these guys fly out, they should still get paid right?
Thats true, they need to sort that shit out.
Never happend in canada tho ?

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Tbh. Organik is partly to blame. He reinforces the rules when it suits him and ignores it otherwise.

Daylyt fucks around in his title match and gets invited to the next big card.
Charron is absolute trash against Clips and gets a title shot.
Bender chokes against Saurus and in a title match, but still gets the wooden spoon.
Pesci is on the mega-card despite literally making battles unwatchable

You can't have a one rule for everyone, another for my friends rule. If rappers saw that even popular guys like Charron and Daylyt could be penalized, people would take it more seriously
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About making the league better, I would make the title wayyyy more interesting. The title should let you choose your opponents, market your music on the KOTD channel (Especially at the end of uploads etc), and it should be battled for once a year for big money and hype. They should also not let anyone defend it more than once.

Make the title really mean something and only the battlers that do well on KOTD can challenge for it and you will see an improvement in performances
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Tbh. Organik is partly to blame. He reinforces the rules when it suits him and ignores it otherwise.

Daylyt fucks around in his title match and gets invited to the next big card.
Charron is absolute trash against Clips and gets a title shot.
Bender chokes against Saurus and in a title match, but still gets the wooden spoon.
Pesci is on the mega-card despite literally making battles unwatchable

You can't have a one rule for everyone, another for my friends rule. If rappers saw that even popular guys like Charron and Daylyt could be penalized, people would take it more seriously
Wow, this is a shitty post...
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stop giving organik mad shit. He's done more for this culture than any of you

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Old 01-27-2015, 02:17 PM   #63
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I'm sensing that organik is bracing himself for a wave of BO no shows from those who have alrdy blown their deposits.....

Who do yall think the biggest no show candidates are if that's the case?
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I'm sensing that organik is bracing himself for a wave of BO no shows from those who have alrdy blown their deposits.....

Who do yall think the biggest no show candidates are if that's the case?
he said excuses for poor performances. cant have a poor performance if you dont show up. i wouldn't worry about BO this year.
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he said excuses for poor performances. cant have a poor performance if you dont show up. i wouldn't worry about BO this year.
I meant about the other tweets posted, they're vague complaints directed at no 1 particular person(s) but I'd say its safe to assume he's worried that they've invested in ppl who intend on giving poor performances out of sheer 'disinterest' or a check (rex for example) which tbh might as well be a no show. Seems like an obvious forewarning to battlers and fans.
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I meant about the other tweets posted, they're vague complaints directed at no 1 particular person(s) but I'd say its safe to assume he's worried that they've invested in ppl who intend on giving poor performances out of sheer 'disinterest' or a check (rex for example) which tbh might as well be a no show. Seems like an obvious forewarning to battlers and fans.
yeah fair enough.

really though, any battle rapper who mails it in to an event that's got drakes name attached to it is a dumbass. id be surprised if there's more than 2-3 dudes that mail it in.
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Tbh. Organik is partly to blame. He reinforces the rules when it suits him and ignores it otherwise.

Daylyt fucks around in his title match and gets invited to the next big card.
Charron is absolute trash against Clips and gets a title shot.
Bender chokes against Saurus and in a title match, but still gets the wooden spoon.
Pesci is on the mega-card despite literally making battles unwatchable

You can't have a one rule for everyone, another for my friends rule. If rappers saw that even popular guys like Charron and Daylyt could be penalized, people would take it more seriously
Exactly. How many times has Organik booked lavos after a shitty choked filled performance and even made posts defending booking at almost every event.

Pesci is known for almost never being able to have a clean battle as well. Then expects outside batters to respect the KOTD stage.

KOTD set a standard where you could half-ass, just show up for a paycheck, and always get away with it. Now Organik is upset about it when the fans have been pissed about it for years.

Maybe he should go through the KOTD archives and take down every battle where guys like uno and pesci didn't give a fuck, and ruined the battle for the fans. That will show he means business.
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Exactly. How many times has Organik booked lavos after a shitty choked filled performance and even made posts defending booking at almost every event.

Pesci is known for almost never being able to have a clean battle as well. Then expects outside batters to respect the KOTD stage.

KOTD set a standard where you could half-ass, just show up for a paycheck, and always get away with it. Now Organik is upset about it when the fans have been pissed about it for years.

Maybe he should go through the KOTD archives and take down every battle where guys like uno and pesci didn't give a fuck, and ruined the battle for the fans. That will show he means business.
I brought up pesci earlier in this thread but now I'm wonderin whether he got paid or not because it was kotd early days....regardless. ...to make himself look better at the expense of the league he said he faked choking...intentionally ruinin battles...organik booked him a handful of times after he made those claims so him being paid or no is kinda irrelevant!!!
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I brought up pesci earlier in this thread but now I'm wonderin whether he got paid or not because it was kotd early days....regardless. ...to make himself look better at the expense of the league he said he faked choking...intentionally ruinin battles...organik booked him a handful of times after he made those claims so him being paid or no is kinda irrelevant!!!
I agree. It seems like now that money is involved Organik wants battlers to take KOTD seriously. But that should not be the case.

He should have started off making people respect the KOTD stage. Not lowering the bar for people he is cool with.

A more honest post would have been,"Hey we didn't demand professionalism from battlers in the past and we apologize for that because it hurt the fans. From now on we won't release sub par battles, and we won't book people who aren't professional enough to care about what we do for the fans"
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And honestly i hate to be a dick but that really ISN'T how shit works in the real world. If you do a shit job people might not book you again, but it doesn't have any impact on what you get paid that SPECIFIC night. It hurts your stock...but that only works if you actually make a stand and stop booking the people. Bonuses incentivize performances, but there's absolutely no industry where they DEDUCT already agreed upon money in those scenarios. Like you think Dana White is like "oh yeah GSP i know we agreed on 500k for this fight but honestly im kinda upset you just ran around the ring and avoided fighting for 5 rounds and won off decision...wasn't good for the fans...so you just gonna get 100k that cool?". you think the entire detroit lions team got half their salary taken away when they went 0-16? sorry, not how shit works.

in a 9-5 world it's the same...they fire you for poor performance...they don't dip into the money they already paid you and claw it back.
This is on point. Leagues just need to follow through with not booking people that don't try. The issue is the big names (Hollow, Surf, Ars, Verb, Hitman, Clips, etc...) really control the game more than the leagues do, and if one league won't book them, they'll just got to another that will.
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have a low base pay. and have incentives that can add it up to a price thats agreeable by battler and league. ex. a battler wants 3000. give them the 1000 down base pay. non choking add 750.. 3 solid prepared rounds 500.. doing the press conference/vlogs, 250.. the battler is at the venue at agreed time/they arent any cause for any delays the other 500.. they get all their money. everything was agreed before hand. everyone is clear. everyone us happy. just a quick thought obviously can be better
This is a good idea. The only thing I can see tripping it up is some of the big names know they are the draw and will want their money up front just like it is currently. This could be good to incentivize the next tier or if you're willing to pay more to the current big names. In a perfect world, great system!
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And honestly i hate to be a dick but that really ISN'T how shit works in the real world. If you do a shit job people might not book you again, but it doesn't have any impact on what you get paid that SPECIFIC night. It hurts your stock...but that only works if you actually make a stand and stop booking the people. Bonuses incentivize performances, but there's absolutely no industry where they DEDUCT already agreed upon money in those scenarios. Like you think Dana White is like "oh yeah GSP i know we agreed on 500k for this fight but honestly im kinda upset you just ran around the ring and avoided fighting for 5 rounds and won off decision...wasn't good for the fans...so you just gonna get 100k that cool?". you think the entire detroit lions team got half their salary taken away when they went 0-16? sorry, not how shit works.

in a 9-5 world it's the same...they fire you for poor performance...they don't dip into the money they already paid you and claw it back.

this is what i was thinkin. if they do shitty don't book em again. this isn't complicated
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And honestly i hate to be a dick but that really ISN'T how shit works in the real world. If you do a shit job people might not book you again, but it doesn't have any impact on what you get paid that SPECIFIC night. It hurts your stock...but that only works if you actually make a stand and stop booking the people. Bonuses incentivize performances, but there's absolutely no industry where they DEDUCT already agreed upon money in those scenarios. Like you think Dana White is like "oh yeah GSP i know we agreed on 500k for this fight but honestly im kinda upset you just ran around the ring and avoided fighting for 5 rounds and won off decision...wasn't good for the fans...so you just gonna get 100k that cool?". you think the entire detroit lions team got half their salary taken away when they went 0-16? sorry, not how shit works.

in a 9-5 world it's the same...they fire you for poor performance...they don't dip into the money they already paid you and claw it back.
Speak on it.
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"welcome to the real world where business works this way. If you don't do a good job you shouldn't expect a good return"

@OrganikHipHop what real world business operates this way? In the real world, if someone does a bad job in an office job, they might get fired, but they still get paid in full up until that point. If you buy a cake and it doesn't taste good to you, you don't get refund, you just don't shop there again. If you hire student painter to paint your house and they do a bad job, you don't get a refund, you might just think twice about hiring professionals next time. etc.

You should do the same and when battlers when it comes to booking a battler take into consideration their past performances in how much you offer them / if you even want them to battle. Pretty simple tbh..
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On point. If you have to pay battlers more than what you get back... the battlers are getting paid too much. It's supply/demand. If you think battlers cost too much then the battlers are taking advantage of your love of kotd/battling and willingness to operate at a breakeven/loss. The battlers 'worth' should only come from revenue they can bring you - otherwise you are getting gouged.
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And honestly i hate to be a dick but that really ISN'T how shit works in the real world. If you do a shit job people might not book you again, but it doesn't have any impact on what you get paid that SPECIFIC night. It hurts your stock...but that only works if you actually make a stand and stop booking the people. Bonuses incentivize performances, but there's absolutely no industry where they DEDUCT already agreed upon money in those scenarios. Like you think Dana White is like "oh yeah GSP i know we agreed on 500k for this fight but honestly im kinda upset you just ran around the ring and avoided fighting for 5 rounds and won off decision...wasn't good for the fans...so you just gonna get 100k that cool?". you think the entire detroit lions team got half their salary taken away when they went 0-16? sorry, not how shit works.

in a 9-5 world it's the same...they fire you for poor performance...they don't dip into the money they already paid you and claw it back.
ah shit, casual already made the same point as me. repped tho
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