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Old 09-05-2016, 02:06 PM   #81
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you've done a lot of assuming. you dont have to gather anything from my post. i'm not insinuating anything. i said exactly what i wanted to say
don't mind me-it's just my nature...I'm always trying to dig
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You stated that 'top tier' has nothing to do with skill-I just thought
you had some names in mind that would exemplify this...
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don't nooooooooooooooooooo bah-deee consider no DNA
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JJDD....no...just no...he may have been headed in that direction
a couple years back-when he had some buzz; before he was labeled
as a 'bar thief', but nah....he's mid-to upper mid tier...
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don't mind me-it's just my nature...I'm always trying to dig
beneath the surface & read between the lines...

You stated that 'top tier' has nothing to do with skill-I just thought
you had some names in mind that would exemplify this...
it's needless to say that you cant be top tier without skill. but everyone has skill. skill has nothing to do with the ascension though.
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it's needless to say that you cant be top tier without skill. but everyone has skill. skill has nothing to do with the ascension though.
why u think surf is so popular? his music doesen't seem to be that poppin seems like he gets it just from battles
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don't nooooooooooooooooooo bah-deee consider no DNA
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JJDD....no...just no...he may have been headed in that direction
a couple years back-when he had some buzz; before he was labeled
as a 'bar thief', but nah....he's mid-to upper mid tier...
A consistent million view mid tier??
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Now that I think about it, I think I'd rather someone run up on me with a pistol than a dick beater. A pistol somehow sounds less terrifying.
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A consistent million view mid tier??
who you talkin bout?
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it's needless to say that you cant be top tier without skill. but everyone has skill. skill has nothing to do with the ascension though.

I see your point...
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why u think surf is so popular? his music doesen't seem to be that poppin seems like he gets it just from battles
a machine and consistency
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JJDD views on URL:


3:57.

My apologies. He averages 935,000 views typically. I rescind my statement based on technicality.
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don't nooooooooooooooooooo bah-deee consider no DNA
no fuckin top tier....


JJDD....no...just no...he may have been headed in that direction
a couple years back-when he had some buzz; before he was labeled
as a 'bar thief', but nah....he's mid-to upper mid tier...
John John and DNA are top tier they are extremely popular and that is what Top Tier is. Surf it Top Tier because he is one of the most highly paid and most popular battle rappers
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John John and DNA are top tier they are extremely popular and that is what Top Tier is. Surf it Top Tier because he is one of the most highly paid and most popular battle rappers
Surf is a better writer, performer & simply far more
entertaining than either DNA or JJDD by virtue of the energy
he brings to his battles...

DNA is not top tier by any stretch of imagination-if DNA
is top tier, then there is no real credence to, or system behind
the concept of tiers in battles rap...
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Surf is a better writer, performer & simply far more
entertaining than either DNA or JJDD by virtue of the energy
he brings to his battles...

DNA is not top tier by any stretch of imagination-if DNA
is top tier, then there is no real credence to, or system behind
the concept of tiers in battles rap...
All three are top tier. DNA gets views and gets paid he is top tier. That is how it is judged. DNA will go down as a legend
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All three are top tier. DNA gets views and gets paid he is top tier. That is how it is judged. DNA will go down as a legend
...everyone is top tier! Everyone is legend!
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...everyone is top tier! Everyone is legend!
That would be false
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That would be false
if you start throwing terms around like 'top tier' & 'legend' @
guys like DNA....then the whole concept become a farce.
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if you start throwing terms around like 'top tier' & 'legend' @
guys like DNA....then the whole concept become a farce.
Not at all, DNA is top tier and a legend. DNA is a special talent he is very consistent battled most of best of his generation and he is just getting started. Just because you don't like someone doesn't mean their accolades don't exist.
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Not at all, DNA is top tier and a legend.
you are virtually the only person stating these non
truths...legends don't spit non sense...habitually...



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DNA is a special talent
he's special-in a not good way...and what he does requires
not one shred of talent....

"time fly's loud"


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he is very consistent
consistently bad...he says stupid shit...you have to be getting
paid to say this, or are trolling or simply feel sorry for dude...


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battled most of best of his generation and he is just getting started. Just because you don't like someone doesn't mean their accolades don't exist.
just getting started?

he has made 0 improvements in all the time he's battled...he's not good,
or clever, nor does he stand out in anything-except for unflinchingly spitting
some of the dumbest-uneducated shit ever spat...

he's trash...
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you are virtually the only person stating these non
truths...legends don't spit non sense...habitually...



he's special-in a not good way...and what he does requires
not one shred of talent....

"time fly's loud"

consistently bad...he says stupid shit...you have to be getting
paid to say this, or are trolling or simply feel sorry for dude...

just getting started?

he has made 0 improvements in all the time he's battled...he's not good,
or clever, nor does he stand out in anything-except for unflinchingly spitting
some of the dumbest-uneducated shit ever spat...

he's trash...
Angryfan and the other blog station host call him a legend so do many others

He is one of the best freestylers in the battle rap

DNA has definitely gotten better and also switched up his flow

He is better than 95 percent of battle rap. While true a majority is trash being better than 95 percent makes him elite
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Angryfan and the other blog station host call him a legend so do many others

He is one of the best freestylers in the battle rap

DNA has definitely gotten better and also switched up his flow

He is better than 95 percent of battle rap. While true a majority is trash being better than 95 percent makes him elite
nah...DNA is even more trash then the trashiest
battler-off the strength of spitting incoherent rhymes....

DNA has ZERO classic performances...
DNA has ZERO quotables...

DNA has spat dumber...more nonsensical shyt than an
emotionally charged Mike Tyson in a post fight interview...


^^^that is bottom tier, W.O.A.T shit...

even the worst battlers DON'T piece together random rhyming
words tying to pass them off as 'set ups'....


he's one of the best @ free styling ?!!?

'something-something'

man...I'm not having this conversation anymore
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nah...DNA is even more trash then the trashiest
battler-off the strength of spitting incoherent rhymes....

DNA has ZERO classic performances...
DNA has ZERO quotables...

DNA has spat dumber...more nonsensical shyt than an
emotionally charged Mike Tyson in a post fight interview...


^^^that is bottom tier, W.O.A.T shit...

even the worst battlers DON'T piece together random rhyming
words tying to pass them off as 'set ups'....


he's one of the best @ free styling ?!!?

'something-something'

man...I'm not having this conversation anymore
I get that you personally don't like DNA, but that doesn't make him not popular, not successful, not top tier, or a legend.

Sure, he says some ridiculous stuff, but so does everyone. You dont hear me taking away Hitman Holla's stature because he thinks he can reload bullets that way.
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Now that I think about it, I think I'd rather someone run up on me with a pistol than a dick beater. A pistol somehow sounds less terrifying.
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DNA hate is fine. But, yeah, he's top tier.

90+ battles, against the BEST competition in the World, has battled on multiple platforms across the world, 500K view average, 48M views total, and he's on most every big card.

Even KOTD called him "Top-Tier" as Dizaster's mystery opponent (which is confirmation most of us don't need).

90 battles and this Guy quotes 3 words "Time Flies Loud" as the reason he isn't Top Tier.

...you know his slogan!
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I get that you personally don't like DNA, but that doesn't make him not popular, not successful, not top tier, or a legend.

Sure, he says some ridiculous stuff, but so does everyone. You dont hear me taking away Hitman Holla's stature because he thinks he can reload bullets that way.
There are definitely a few MCs that have been damn near flawless. And guess what, they're Top Tier Legends.
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Tsu Surf is Super-Tier. There's a handful of Super-Tier cats:

Hollow
Lux
Hitman
Conceited
Surf

Other than Lux these Guys are not lyrical geniuses. But they have history, are the best performers on the biggest stages, have the biggest fan-bases, take only the best opponents, get paid the most and guarantee a great show and a million view battle.
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There are definitely a few MCs that have been damn near flawless. And guess what, they're Top Tier Legends.
Edit* Oh you did name them.

I don't agree, but I'm not mad at it.

Gotta remember, Tsu Surf is the same guy who though Urn and Ash makes Nash.
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Edit* Oh you did name them.

I don't agree, but I'm not mad at it.

Gotta remember, Tsu Surf is the same guy who though Urn and Ash makes Nash.
But I also think Thesaurus is a Top-Tier Legend that has been as close to flawless his whole career.

Also, Calicoe, Arsonal, and damn - not many others.
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so...there is no objective standard of 'top tier'...then...


so many...'mid tier' guys also fill the criteria
mentioned for DNA....

By these standards...'Deacon Frost' is also a legend...and
'top tier' as well...

"Super-doopper top tier"....this is getting ridiculous
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Surf is a better writer, performer & simply far more
entertaining than either DNA or JJDD by virtue of the energy
he brings to his battles...

DNA is not top tier by any stretch of imagination-if DNA
is top tier, then there is no real credence to, or system behind
the concept of tiers in battles rap...
This Is Not A Comparison Between Tsurf, DNA And John John
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I mean, I think Thesaurus is probably one of the only candidates that stands up to the test of time so far (as he's been doing this so long)

He survived the premeditated "Freestyle" era and was a legend there.
He dusted off most of his Grindtime competition, same with KOTD.

He takes very few clear losses, and his writing is on par with who we think is "hot" now.
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But I also think Thesaurus is a Top-Tier Legend that has been as close to flawless his whole career.

Also, Calicoe, Arsonal, and damn - not many others.
At one point Thesaurus was top tier this is no longer the case. He is still a legend
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This Is Not A Comparison Between Tsurf, DNA And John John
Do you agree that DNA is 'Top Tier'
and a 'legend' as well?
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For those that insist Calicoe is a super top tier/legend? Why? I'm mad curious.
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At one point Thesaurus was top tier this is no longer the case. He is still a legend
so....there you have it...DNA is Top tier, but
NOT Saurus....


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so....there you have it...DNA is Top tier, but
NOT Saurus....


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-Incredible performer
-Not the BEST writer, but he's solid and has some outstanding stuff
-Has a certain authenticity to him, kinda like Calicoe (though not to the same degree, which is why Cal washed him). Like his 3rd vs hitman was incredible for this reason.
-doesn't oversaturate and always comes with it

like i unno what's not to get. he's very much top tier.
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For those that insist Calicoe is a super top tier/legend? Why? I'm mad curious.
Really?

I mean, you could start with Cal vs. Surf for one.
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For those that insist Calicoe is a super top tier/legend? Why? I'm mad curious.
Not sure Calico is super top tier but he is def on the high end of top tier. He is really popular. He gets paid a lot. He gets called for the big cards by KOTD and URL. I dont think he is a legend but his battle resume is pretty darn good. I am not a huge fan of his but I cant deny he is a big draw
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Calicoe is incredible. No one does what Calicoe does.
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Not sure Calico is super top tier but he is def on the high end of top tier. He is really popular. He gets paid a lot. He gets called for the big cards by KOTD and URL. I dont think he is a legend but his battle resume is pretty darn good. I am not a huge fan of his but I cant deny he is a big draw
Can't argue that. I'm not a fan of his at all, but I was genuinely interested in a breakdown. You pretty much can switch Hitman Holla's name out of your description and it'd be on point. (I don't like Holla either)

Neither one of those two write very well, but I concede that they are top tier in objective measurements.
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