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Old 07-02-2014, 01:03 AM   #1
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Street or nerd - can we all agree Illmac is the GOAT now?

Illmaculate is a WRC, grind time and KOTD legend. Arguably the only two battles he has lost are vs Conceited and vs Hollow Da Don which he attempted to face on the same night.

His recent performances vs Aye Verb and Bigg K show that not only does he have some of the best content in the business, he is one of the best *rappers* in the battle scene.

This is an argument @WillyBoFung should appreciate. If not his best, one of his best qualities is his rapping ability. More than any other rapper in the rap battle realm, Illmaculate can rap. Flow, emphasis, enunciation, delivery, timing, wordplay and punchlines are all part of his rapping "repertoire". Even Aye Verb, professed by Willy and others to be a highly skilled "rapper", has expressed a clear preference towards and admiration for Illmaculate's music.

Another argument for Illmaculate being the GOAT is his music. There is no other battle rapper out there whose music is on the same level as Illmac's.


The final argument for Illmac being the GOAT is his battle record.

Consider this:

Illmaculate vs Aye Verb - W
Illmaculate vs Bigg K - W
Illmaculate vs Arkaic - W
Illmaculate vs Arsonal - L/Debatable (special circumstances)
Illmaculate vs Tony D - W
Illmaculate vs Manaz - W
Illmaculate vs Kerser - W
Illmaculate vs Bender - W
Illmaculate vs Dizaster - W
Illmaculate vs Ness Lee - W
Illmaculate vs Eurgh - W
Illmaculate vs The Saurus - W
Illmaculate vs Conceited - L
Illmaculate vs Hollow da Don - L
Illmaculate vs Madness - W
Illmaculate vs Quest McCody - W
Illmaculate vs Prolific - W
Illmaculate vs Presence - W
Illmaculate vs Swann - W
Illmaculate vs Mac Lethal - W
Illmaculate vs Franco - W
Illmaculate vs Pass - W

Record: 19 Wins, 2 Losses, 1 Debatable

Not to mention his immense 2v2 success, winning the World Rap Championships twice with The Saurus.

To summarize, let me quote Aye Verb:

Can we all agree that Illmaculate is the best to ever do it? Those of you who disagree, make valid points don't just be haters.
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Old 07-02-2014, 01:05 AM   #2
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i definitely think he earned a place just inside the best 60 to do it... probably in the upper 50's somewhere
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I like people who rhyme words and he does that really well so yes I like him.
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his delivery and lyrics can be kinda corny tho...

tbh i hate how his voice sounds and always have and how he puts emphasis on certain shit and kinda talks slow?

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he didn't beat Tony D or Truth. other than that i agree with the original statment
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he clearly lost his battle with Arsonal.

illmac is dope though
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GOAT at the moment, no. One of the best careers of all time, yes. Illmac def dope.
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He lost to Tony D... think what you will about some of Tone's other performances but he beat Illmac on that night.

Also he lost to Ars, as much as it pains me to say it, he lost. But he shouldn't have been drinking before the battle, that was on him. Get the fuck out of here with "special circumstances", and stop channelling your inner willy.

But I agree Illmac is a legend and one of the best to ever do it.

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yup, Illmac's always been the best. no one can touch his pen game
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Illmac is definitely a battle rap pioneer. I have a hard time, however, calling him (or anyone really) the best to ever do it considering battle rap is so subjective. I do think Illmac has one of the most well-rounded skill sets of anyone, though. I think him vs Clips is going to be a great battle.
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He lost to Tony D... think what you will about some of Tone's other performances but he beat Illmac on that night.

Also he lost to Ars, as much as it pains me to say it, he lost. But he shouldn't have been drinking before the battle, that was on him. Get the fuck out of here with "special circumstances", and stop channelling your inner willy.

But I agree Illmac is a legend and one of the best to ever do it.
Crowd was dickriding Tony heavy, though.
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Yeah I think illmac prolly the goat and the one to challenge Pat. Hope he keeps continuing to have classics for years to come
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He's a legend. I don't really know about best of all time etc, but he's definitely earned his acclaim
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Crowd was dickriding Tony heavy, though.
Your right they were, but he is a punchline rapper and his punches hit. My opinion. Tony is sick imo (I know a lot of people hate on him and thats cool) - he is MUCH MUCH better at music. But I still think he beat Illmac and so did the judges that night (it was judged) and if it was it needs to be taken as so. Illmac lost.
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he's up there in the top "not black" rankings

hes good at making references white ppl/backpackers understand and can go crazy to.. but he isn't too complex or anything. simple flow, simple bars, decent freestyles. well rounded battler maybe top 15 overall.
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Tonyd is a punch line rapper? Mmm what battles are you goin by? Lol Illmac killed him and makes better music
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i thought these threads went outta style in 2012?

seasoned fans - yall remember these threads... everytime a battle dropped... it was followed by a thread stating whoever was in it is the greatest ever

it used to be ecery battle... then these threads judt went outta style... are we sure we want to bring them back? they died for a reason lnfao
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he's up there in the top "not black" rankings
definitely... i think hes top 7 in the rankings without black people... then in respectably in the mid 50's with black people included
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wtf is a manaz? a kerser? an arkaic? a "tony d"? some weird shit goin on here
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Tonyd is a punch line rapper? Mmm what battles are you goin by? Lol Illmac killed him and makes better music
Nah lol scrap that, I'm drunk haha, he isn't a punch line rapper, but I still think he beat him in that battle. And on the music tip that really depends what you like. You heard the poisonous poets mixtape? That pretty much shits on most of Illmacs music in my mind, its a classic.
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Illmaculate vs Presence - W
Illmaculate vs Swann - W
Illmaculate vs Mac Lethal - W
Illmaculate vs Franco - W
Illmaculate vs Pass - W

Record: 19 Wins, 2 Losses, 1 Debatable
It's cool that you want to include his freestyle over beats record, but actually he had a some pretty big losses record.

Brainstorm
Vs. Presence L
vs. Orukusaki (Following year) L

Scribble Jam
Vs. Tut L
Vs. H-bomb L

Red Bull EmSee
Vs. NoCanDo L

But even with that Illmac is still one of the best ever to do this.
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It's cool that you want to include his freestyle over beats record, but actually he had a some pretty big losses record.

Brainstorm
Vs. Presence L
vs. Orukusaki (Following year) L

Scribble Jam
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Vs. H-bomb L

Red Bull EmSee
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But even with that Illmac is still one of the best ever to do this.
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Illmaculate is a WRC, grind time and KOTD legend. Arguably the only two battles he has lost are vs Conceited and vs Hollow Da Don which he attempted to face on the same night.

His recent performances vs Aye Verb and Bigg K show that not only does he have some of the best content in the business, he is one of the best *rappers* in the battle scene.

This is an argument @WillyBoFung should appreciate. If not his best, one of his best qualities is his rapping ability. More than any other rapper in the rap battle realm, Illmaculate can rap. Flow, emphasis, enunciation, delivery, timing, wordplay and punchlines are all part of his rapping "repertoire". Even Aye Verb, professed by Willy and others to be a highly skilled "rapper", has expressed a clear preference towards and admiration for Illmaculate's music.

Another argument for Illmaculate being the GOAT is his music. There is no other battle rapper out there whose music is on the same level as Illmac's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DDOCs8YqT4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO8ZY5TMf0A

The final argument for Illmac being the GOAT is his battle record.

Consider this:

Illmaculate vs Aye Verb - W
Illmaculate vs Bigg K - W
Illmaculate vs Arkaic - W
Illmaculate vs Arsonal - L/Debatable (special circumstances)
Illmaculate vs Tony D - W
Illmaculate vs Manaz - W
Illmaculate vs Kerser - W
Illmaculate vs Bender - W
Illmaculate vs Dizaster - W
Illmaculate vs Ness Lee - W
Illmaculate vs Eurgh - W
Illmaculate vs The Saurus - W
Illmaculate vs Conceited - L
Illmaculate vs Hollow da Don - L
Illmaculate vs Madness - W
Illmaculate vs Quest McCody - W
Illmaculate vs Prolific - W
Illmaculate vs Presence - W
Illmaculate vs Swann - W
Illmaculate vs Mac Lethal - W
Illmaculate vs Franco - W
Illmaculate vs Pass - W

Record: 19 Wins, 2 Losses, 1 Debatable

Not to mention his immense 2v2 success, winning the World Rap Championships twice with The Saurus.

To summarize, let me quote Aye Verb:
http://twitter.com/AYEVERB/status/484081276391931905
http://twitter.com/AYEVERB/status/484003705277005824

Can we all agree that Illmaculate is the best to ever do it? Those of you who disagree, make valid points don't just be haters.
While I appreciate the sentiment, Hollow is the best right now.

I still learn from every battle (including the latest) and I am a harsher critic of
my own work than even the trolls on here. Got a ways to go an lots of room for progression in music and battling. Thats what keeps me working though.

Y'all are clowns w/ all the "non black" distinctions n shit though. Weirdos. I swear y'all dont live in the real world and always make shit about race. You're overcompensating.
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It's cool that you want to include his freestyle over beats record, but actually he had a some pretty big losses record.

Brainstorm
Vs. Presence L
vs. Orukusaki (Following year) L

Scribble Jam
Vs. Tut L
Vs. H-bomb L

Red Bull EmSee
Vs. NoCanDo L

But even with that Illmac is still one of the best ever to do this.
I never battle presence outside of WRCs. Way more battles w/l's but that's all mummy dust. These threads are a bit meh.

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What is up with these "GOAT" threads? with no mention of Lux,Hollow,Hitman,Surf,Con and Ars. yet Bigg K and Illmac are freequently mentioned?

If Illmac beats Clips on URL in Oct then he can come in the talks, but as of now he is a "GOAT" in the Nerd world ONLY.
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I never battle presence outside of WRCs. Way more battles w/l's but that's all mummy dust. These threads are a bit meh.

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you didn't lose to presence at bs4?
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just curious, how is illmac "nerd" because he was in wrcs and scribble? what part of his content has ever been nerdy? honestly curious. non-smack/url people are insta-nerd content?
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Illmac forfeited his right to be considered a great in battle rap when he got humiliated by Conceited. That moment when Lush hands the cash to Conceited in front of him will haunt him for the rest of his life.

Also he has lost every battle I can remember except Ness Lee
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Old 07-02-2014, 02:17 AM   #37
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Old 07-02-2014, 02:18 AM   #38
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EmceeGoddess mad his nerd raps lost all them battles for Illmac
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Please don't push the GOAT narrative for Illmac, I think it will only lead to backlash with people trying to discredit him and waiting for his fall.

He definitely deserves his just dues for proving he is still a high caliber battler after all these years though. He deserves to be mentioned among the greats.
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