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Old 04-16-2017, 03:54 PM   #1
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So One-Third of Backout 7 Didn't Even Happen.

Long thread. Just ranting TL;dr fuck a dick.


Battles that actually happened

Day 1

Aftershock vs jeff
DNA vs A ward
Gjonaj vs Chilla
Day vs cortez
Diz vs serius

Day 2

krome vs esem
loso vs jimz
marv/quest vs carter/chedda (cut out during ppv bust most was shown)
Rone vs Ice

Cancelled

Pass vs Ness -Replacement battle (completely botched on stream)
Verb vs Charron
Ness Vs P nut
pass vs yung ill
Bonnie vs caustic


So if you were not there live and got fucced over during Pass vs Ness, you were essentially jipped out of around 1/3 of the entire card.




I understand some of this shit is beyond their control when it comes to passports and shit, but there's evidence to suggest KotD knew far ahead of time that at least Caustic vs Bonnie wasn't going down and never formally announced it, even now. It's like they didn't even wanna do it after the Verb/Ill/Pnut back outs as some kind of damage control and to probably not hurt ppv sales.

Caustic wasn't tweeting anything about Blackout in the week leading up to the event, and it wasn't until someone tweeted him on day 2 asking about his battle, that he replied with some shit about (don't know how to embed tweets)

"For those wondering.. I dislocated my knee/tore my mcl this week and need surgery immediately so unfortunately I didn't make it."

Hmmm that's a little shady. Anyways, They didn't deliver on 1/3 of their product. It's not that expensive, but on principle I can't support jenky ass business practices like that.

A lot of people wait and buy the PPV the day of in order to avoid paying for cancelled battles. If they were more forthcoming beforehand when they knew all these people didn't show or weren't going to, a lot of us would have said fuck that in a heartbeat. AND THEY KNEW THAT.

From someone who bought most of these events in the past "to show support" and hasn't bootlegged,

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Old 04-16-2017, 04:29 PM   #2
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From your perspective, this seems really bad. I haven't really kept up with what has happened with BO7, but if you're right, that's a big let down. I thought the Nome event ppv was pretty bad and I expected KOTD to top it by a large margin. I can understand your frustration.

A 1/3 of the event not occurring is laughable but may not have been totally KOTD's fault. Still it's disappointing, I wouldn't blame if you didn't purchase another ppv event.
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I think it's disingenuous to count Pass vs Ness as not happening when it did in fact happen
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OP is right tbh it's not so much the fact that battlers didn't show which is to an extent understandable if it's because of border issues or battlers themselves being flakes but if they had prior knowledge days leading up to the event that these matches weren't going down then yeah that's shady as fuck and I kinda want a refund the more I think about it... I had to work today so I went to bed and avoided spoilers on social media all day just so I could watch em when I got home so I'm just now finding this out lol pretty shitty
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None of the cancellations were advertised adequately. I'm pretty sure they knew about Verb not being able to make it something like 2 weeks ago.

I'm stuggling not to think they are doing it on purpose.
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OP is right tbh it's not so much the fact that battlers didn't show which is to an extent understandable if it's because of border issues or battlers themselves being flakes but if they had prior knowledge days leading up to the event that these matches weren't going down then yeah that's shady as fuck and I kinda want a refund the more I think about it... I had to work today so I went to bed and avoided spoilers on social media all day just so I could watch em when I got home so I'm just now finding this out lol pretty shitty
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repeating what I said in the update thread;

quoted NEVER announces when their major battles get cancelled before events, and a lot of the time they don't even announce it at the event. they just keep things going and pretend like it never was supposed to happen.

there have been times where we knew like 2-3 days before that a battle wasn't gonna go down and they didn't say nothing at all.

i'd imagine the only reason churn vs verb was announced was because they wanted the SMACK KILLA to talk shit about the big bad flakey street rapper to validate themselves a bit, making sure it didn't look like verb didn't show cuz he just doesnt give a fuck (not that that's why he no-showed, but kotd's decision making projects a lot)

they have a problem taking responsibility for things that fuck up on them. point blank. it's always someone else fault, the "fans" have to always show them 100% love or they're haters, and if a battle is cancelled there's nothing they can do about it anyway so why bring it up.. it's not their fault!!!

but i don't think a major league has ever had as many battles fall through as kotd. its always been like.. every major event, you can expect 3 battles you wanted to watch cancel. and 90% of the issue could boil down to them holding these big multi day cards in fuckin toronto. i can't imagine how many battles, or even events as a whole that decision has ruined.
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I think it's disingenuous to count Pass vs Ness as not happening when it did in fact happen
You're right. I just meant moreso that for PPV viewers paying for the "live" experience or close to it, that battle didn't happen.


This came off as pretty disingenuous to me, given all we know now:

"Although, we did set up a Dizaster battle for tonight incase a situation like this occurred it's still an unfortunate situation and will be rescheduled ASAP!


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Best believe bootlegs on deck for everyone next kotd event. Ill pass them around to everyone.

I probably wont ever pay for a ppv again. That was unacceptable. Not to mention all the battles that didnt happen. That makes it even worse.

I payed 30 and to me daylyt and 2 vs 2 and title match were the only good battles.
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It just all looks like shit work on all fronts - bad organization, bad contracts, bad enforcement, completely unprofessional bullshit from battlers... Nothing i wouldn't expect to be 100. I've been following battles long enough to know 1/5 events or less actually do anything worth watching. Especially when these weren't exactly battles many of us wanted to see.
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there's evidence to suggest KotD knew far ahead of time that at least Caustic vs Bonnie wasn't going down and never formally announced it, even now. It's like they didn't even wanna do it after the Verb/Ill/Pnut back outs as some kind of damage control and to probably not hurt ppv sales.

at what point does this become knowingly deceptive and fraudulent?
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I feel like the same issues have been present for years now and nothing has really changed in regards to preventing these issues
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Two day events are the actual worst.

8BW was a 3-day event and it kind of worked as it had a Training Days day in London on the Friday, ALL MAIN EVENTS in Leeds on the Saturday and then a chilled out Leeds Sunday with smaller battles but still a really good card. I did not enjoy 7BW at all it was just such a long weekend

I'd much rather have a stacked day of battles than two days with 5 battles each, that shit kind of weak.

I always watch Blackout live and I would've done the same this year but I had work commitments but I really think this year was hurt by being two days instead of one, as a one day event that would be a really really good card but spread out that is just a bit dry.

Massacre is definitely my favourite event series at the moment, hope there's a third installment this year but I imagine it's being pushed back because of Blackout being pushed back?

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at what point does this become knowingly deceptive and fraudulent?
Wow wtf
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Yeah, the amount of cancellations for that event was insane.
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dead at ganik saying "when you book 30 people for an event, some will have issues" and yet still tryna throw events with 30 battlers lmao.

KOTD should just have the vancouver division to run Canadian events, gully run GZ events(mainly in detroit), nikiya run the mass event, and ganik n avo work together on like 3/4 events in cali a year.

tryna get two day events in canada just seems dumb at this point, and the Toronto crowds dnt add as much as other places.
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Mass series, bunker series, and gvg..all top events, all one day...there is a common denominator here.
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Swave Sevah vs Shotti P went down as well..so 6 battles happened on day 2
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u clearly do whats he mean matches exposed? like ahead of time, after they were not already happening? :S
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I bought the ppv and I can't re watch the day 2 battles !! What the fuck ?! They got the title match up and all of day 1


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u clearly do whats he mean matches exposed? like ahead of time, after they were not already happening? :S
I think he is saying that if they had announced that P-Nut and Ill weren't battling, they might then reveal who their opponents were if they happened to do an interview explanation for cancelling AND THEN we would figure out that Ness vs Pass was happening instead.

I don't think I would normally believe that, it's such poor reasoning. On the otherhand KOTD are so reluctant to drop the surprise theme that I can.
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Diz confirmed that the PPV sales were slow that's why he participated

That is 100 percent the only reason they didn't announce cancellations.

If you don't believe that you're a moron
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That is 100 percent the only reason they didn't announce cancellations.

If you don't believe that you're a moron
That's interesting. At some point during the ppv didn't LNS say the broke some kind of ppv record? I'm sure not announcing cancellations is purely motivated by money, which is what annoys me the most about the whole thing. If I believed it was about the integrity of the card maybe I would feel differently.

Another thing, when bishop was talking shit about yung and p nut with all that "it's called blackout, not back out," shit, then he makes a video saying yung never even signed a contract? How the fuck is it backing out if you never even signed the God damn contract? Frankly I'd find it odd if you did decide to show up to the event.

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That's interesting. At some point during the ppv didn't LNS say the broke some kind of ppv record? I'm sure not announcing cancellations is purely motivated by money, which is what annoys me the most about the whole thing. If I believed it was about the integrity of the card maybe I would feel differently.

Another thing, when bishop was talking shit about yung and p nut with all that "it's called blackout, not back out," shit, then he makes a video saying yung never even signed a contract? How the fuck is it backing out if you never even signed the God damn contract? Frankly I'd find it odd if you did decide to show up to the event.

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Pretty sure they wanted him to show up first

And yeah, Diz definitely said that in an Angryfans interview

How is a PPV record being broken when Organik claims he lost money?
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Old 04-17-2017, 03:12 PM   #36
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Quick question:

So if you didn't announce the cancellations​ in advance, which means the same expected attendance showed, bought ppvs, merch, etc. You booked the hotels and flights for the battlers that didn't show. Doesn't that mean that profits were the same and you didn't actually lose money, but just wasted it instead?

Also wouldn't you have saved more money considering the battlers usually get paid in two parts? Someone school me please because I'm lost.
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Another thing, when bishop was talking shit about yung and p nut with all that "it's called blackout, not back out," shit, then he makes a video saying yung never even signed a contract? How the fuck is it backing out if you never even signed the God damn contract? Frankly I'd find it odd if you did decide to show up to the event.

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I cant help but think back to the blackout promo footage of yung ill they kept playing over and over saying "it's genius" blah blah and wonder how long did ill/they
know that he wasn't showing up but kept lettin it roll
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Hes gon lose more money next event when we all bootleg the shit out of the next ppv.


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so as a consumer - your loss on the product is inconsequential if the loss I (as the vendor) have made on providing you with said substandard product is considerably more substantial than your individual investment.

That's a fire business plan + guaranteed not to piss anyone off.
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