Is Fresco still a Trump supporter? (Part 2)

**RonRon da Dong** · 01-10-2021, 01:50 AM

Most viewed thread in hall of shame history?

I'll take that

Well it's been 4 years since that thread was released, and I'd say there's quite a bit to reflect on. So how does everyone feel about it, are there any young repubs left here on the forum? Were you a a supporter once and since jumped ship like most of his cabinet including his VP? If so, what was the final straw for you? How do we feel about hard right Republicans in battle rap?

More to the point... is Fresco still a Trump supporter?

**Profess** · 01-10-2021, 09:14 AM

Some people are eagar to label anyone that doesn't shill for the democrats as a "Trump supporter."

Would you agree that "Trump supporter" is a loaded term?

**Emancee** · 01-10-2021, 10:21 AM

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Some people are eagar to label anyone that doesn't shill for the democrats as a "Trump supporter."

Honestly, there are Trump supporters and Trump supporters. Much like there are Democrats and then there are the liberal leftie types that even other Dems hate. Honestly, I suspect that 99% of the population fall into neither camp, but for some reason the mass media wants everyone to believe that these people are more representative than they actually are. The Antifa, Nazis, New KKK and all these groups are a fraction of a % of each side's supporters, but for some bizarre reason the mass media wants to remind you of them at every occasion.

**Profess** · 01-10-2021, 10:47 AM

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Honestly, there are Trump supporters and Trump supporters. Much like there are Democrats and then there are the liberal leftie types that even other Dems hate. Honestly, I suspect that 99% of the population fall into neither camp, but for some reason the mass media wants everyone to believe that these people are more representative than they actually are. The Antifa, Nazis, New KKK and all these groups are a fraction of a % of each side's supporters, but for some bizarre reason the mass media wants to remind you of them at every occasion.

Right on. It's a shame that more people in the US don't take a more nuanced look at politics

**Profess** · 01-10-2021, 10:55 AM

There is a good rebuttal for Fresco to write about this with "Chicago School" being the punchline.

The set up describing the economic spectrum: Marxism, Keynes, Friedman, Austrian

**Abstrakt** · 01-10-2021, 04:49 PM

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Right on. It's a shame that more people in the US don't take a more nuanced look at politics

i think a line was crossed A LONG TIME AGO to where if you support Trump - youre being complicit in a disastrous monarchy and it really starts to reflect on you.

initially, i understood the people who didnt like government and wanted more of their paycheck voting for trump. but man, he has been so FUCKING unpresidential that you should have some common sense not to support the guy.

**bobbylight** · 01-10-2021, 07:35 PM

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Some people are eagar to label anyone that doesn't shill for the democrats as a "Trump supporter."

Would you agree that "Trump supporter" is a loaded term?

lol we found a trump supporter. It is a loaded term because Trump is a despicable human being. Obama supporter, not as controversial. Nazi supporter, very controversial.

**Profess** · 01-10-2021, 08:31 PM

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lol we found a trump supporter. It is a loaded term because Trump is a despicable human being. Obama supporter, not as controversial. Nazi supporter, very controversial.

I can see you are angry. I'm mad about what happened at the capital too. But I don't watch cable news or vote so there is no way that I am a Trump supporter. You're proving my point here by labeling me a Trump supporter because I'm not falling I'm line with a mob mentality. @Emancee had it right when he said there are Trump supporters and then there are Trump supporters. Some Trump supporters are alt right extremists.. I'm certainly not that. But if you want to call me a Trump supporter because I don't think government intervention in the economy is always the answer then you don't understand politics. You should look in the mirror closely and then tell us if you live a completely moral life before you go around condeming other people. Shame on you..

**Profess** · 01-10-2021, 08:34 PM

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i think a line was crossed A LONG TIME AGO to where if you support Trump - youre being complicit in a disastrous monarchy and it really starts to reflect on you.

initially, i understood the people who didnt like government and wanted more of their paycheck voting for trump. but man, he has been so FUCKING unpresidential that you should have some common sense not to support the guy.

I hear what you are saying.. I think. Is it your opinion that anyone that doesn't support Biden is a Trump supporter?

**Hughms** · 01-10-2021, 11:23 PM

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I can see you are angry. I'm mad about what happened at the capital too. But I don't watch cable news or vote so there is no way that I am a Trump supporter. You're proving my point here by labeling me a Trump supporter because I'm not falling I'm line with a mob mentality. @Emancee had it right when he said there are Trump supporters and then there are Trump supporters. Some Trump supporters are alt right extremists.. I'm certainly not that. But if you want to call me a Trump supporter because I don't think government intervention in the economy is always the answer then you don't understand politics. You should look in the mirror closely and then tell us if you live a completely moral life before you go around condeming other people. Shame on you..

Did you vote for Trump?

**Profess** · 01-11-2021, 12:18 AM

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Did you vote for Trump?

I said in my post that I didn't vote, so no I didn't vote for Trump. Weird that you missed that.

Not all conservatives are "Trump supporters" even if they voted for him. Which is my point, and the reason I'm stating that "Trump Supporter" is a loaded term.

Having said that, I am a moderate. I didn't see either candidate representing my views, and that is why I didn't vote in the presidential election. Which is a statement on it's own, having nothing to do with apathy towards the electoral college system.

Did you vote, if so, for whom, and why?

**Hughms** · 01-11-2021, 12:54 AM

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I said in my post that I didn't vote, so no I didn't vote for Trump. Weird that you missed that.

Not all conservatives are "Trump supporters" even if they voted for him. Which is my point, and the reason I'm stating that "Trump Supporter" is a loaded term.

Having said that, I am a moderate. I didn't see either candidate representing my views, and that is why I didn't vote in the presidential election. Which is a statement on it's own, having nothing to do with apathy towards the electoral college system.

Did you vote, if so, for whom, and why?

Reading back, I see that you said you didn't vote.

I disagree that "Trump supporter" is a loaded term, especially as applied to Trump voters. What indicates support for something/something more than a vote? I, like many if not most of Biden's voters, am lukewarm on the guy, but I voted for him and have no qualms with being labeled a "supporter" of his. Sure, it may be more accurate to label me a "climate change is real supporter" or a "more compassionate healthcare system supporter" but to labor over such distinctions seems like a fairly pointless exercise in semantics.

**Profess** · 01-11-2021, 01:06 AM

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Reading back, I see that you said you didn't vote.

I disagree that "Trump supporter" is a loaded term, especially as applied to Trump voters. What indicates support for something/something more than a vote? I, like many if not most of Biden's voters, am lukewarm on the guy, but I voted for him and have no qualms with being labeled a "supporter" of his. Sure, it may be more accurate to label me a "climate change is real supporter" or a "more compassionate healthcare system supporter" but to labor over such distinctions seems like a fairly pointless exercise in semantics.

What indicates support for someone more than a vote? That is a good question. Perhaps giving him a backrub when he is stressed out would be providing Don more support at that moment than a vote would.

Since you are lukewarm on Biden, I consider you as someone that made a pragmatic decision, not a Biden supporter. It seems like you voted for him because his rhetoric resonates more with your beliefs than the alternative.

However, in the current climate, I view semantics as important especially when divisive comments are thrown around loosely. Even moreso if they are disengenious.

**Feral Linguist** · 01-11-2021, 01:25 AM

in this thread a lot of people who have it all figured out </sarcasm>

**Profess** · 01-11-2021, 01:46 AM

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in this thread a lot of people who have it all figured out </sarcasm>

How much rent does your mom charge you for living in her basement?

**Emancee** · 01-11-2021, 01:51 AM

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I disagree that "Trump supporter" is a loaded term

You don't think that a 'He's a Trump supporter' implies something different from 'He's a Republican' or 'He's a conservative'. I also think even 'He's right-wing' is starting to get poisoned, but that's a debate for a different day.

**Emancee** · 01-11-2021, 01:52 AM

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in this thread a lot of people who have it all figured out </sarcasm>

I think that's why everyone is having this discussion. People who are convinced of their politics generally don't discuss but lecture.