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Old 05-22-2015, 05:53 PM   #1
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KING OF THE RONALDS Presents BLACKS vs. WHITES.

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I respect it. This is basically what kotd does EVERY event, but at least kotr has the balls to call it what it is.

Meanwhile, everyone else wants to pretend that this isn't basically the foundation of kotd's business model, and call their battles "style clashes".
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Is the blackface counteracted by representing white people as clowns?

At first glance I was like "God damn, Micky" but the more I thought about it the implication is clearly there. But obviously the history of the 2 is completely different.
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I respect it. This is basically what kotd does EVERY event, but at least kotr has the balls to call it what it is.

Meanwhile, everyone else wants to pretend that this isn't basically the foundation of kotd's business model, and call their battles "style clashes".
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Is the blackface counteracted by representing white people as clowns?
its not blackface, just a face that happens to be black
IMO blackface is a stylized depiction of black folk in the most unflattering way possible with the intent to demean and dehumanize
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I respect it. This is basically what kotd does EVERY event, but at least kotr has the balls to call it what it is.

Meanwhile, everyone else wants to pretend that this isn't basically the foundation of kotd's business model, and call their battles "style clashes".
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Well.. Now I know where Daylyt vs Carter Deems should be held.

Regardless, despite the obvious moral fuckery this holds and how ironic that England would be the one to start this type of event in battle rap.. It's actually almost perfect for the model KOTR was made for. Almost genius in the most ridiculous way
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its not blackface, just a face that happens to be black
IMO blackface is a stylized depiction of black folk in the most unflattering way possible with the intent to demean and dehumanize
That is clearly a reference to blackface...
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Meanwhile, everyone else wants to pretend that this isn't basically the foundation of kotd's business model, and call their battles "style clashes".

so you would prefer kotd honored the time honored tradition of segregation.

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so you would prefer kotd honored the time honored tradition of segregation.

No, I'd prefer that people would just call it what it is: "blacks vs whites"

That's obviously the motivation behind 95% of the "style clash" battles. I don't see any difference.

And I don't see how pitting black people against white people isn't already a form of segregation, tbch.
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No, I'd prefer that people would just call it what it is: "blacks vs whites"

That's obviously the motivation behind 95% of the "style clash" battles. I don't see any difference.

And I don't see how pitting black people against white people isn't already a form of segregation, tbch.
Right, so trying to get battlers over from leagues with more views in order to get battlers on their own league some shine and more competition is...somehow just setting up "black vs white"?

Come on, man. I know that this site is overly pro-KOTD and you have issues with them as a league, but do you not see yourself reaching way too far in your attempts to criticise them?

I mean, this card name is pretty inflammatory and I imagine it's going to lead to a lot of really awkward, uncomfortable, racist battles. Pretty childish, but it's Micky Worthless and he's not a particularly witty guy.
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I respect it. This is basically what kotd does EVERY event, but at least kotr has the balls to call it what it is.

Meanwhile, everyone else wants to pretend that this isn't basically the foundation of kotd's business model, and call their battles "style clashes".
Tax, Crakk and Bullets are the handful of minorities in their league and they get them to battle a lot. Tax gets a huge push btw. I think it's unfair to accuse KOTD of making race wars.
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Right, so trying to get battlers over from leagues with more views in order to get battlers on their own league some shine and more competition is...somehow just setting up "black vs white"?

Come on, man. I know that this site is overly pro-KOTD and you have issues with them as a league, but do you not see yourself reaching way too far in your attempts to criticise them?

I mean, this card name is pretty inflammatory and I imagine it's going to lead to a lot of really awkward, uncomfortable, racist battles. Pretty childish, but it's Micky Worthless and he's not a particularly witty guy.
You have to admit though, you are starting to hate battle rap a little more each day with all this forced fuckery. Dumb shit like K Shine vs Dirtbag Dan, Pat vs Cal, and now its Math vs Thesaurus?
Makes you wonder, when is Caddy Ron going against Shotgun Suge? When does Carter Deems face Reed Dollaz?
These fuckboyz trying extra hard to prove that the Saltines are just a good as these Black Guys from the ghetto too.

Where are all the Eminems that can take down the Big Bad Gangster Poppa Docs?

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KING OF THE RONALDS Presents BLACKS vs. WHITES.

historically/technically clowns are already racist depictions of black people so having a black clown isnt really that much of a stretch

also the ice cream truck song is a blatantly racist minstrel tune

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You have to admit though, you are starting to hate battle rap a little more each day with all this forced fuckery. Dumb shit like K Shine vs Dirtbag Dan, Pat vs Cal, and now its Math vs Thesaurus?
Makes you wonder, when is Caddy Ron going against Shotgun Suge? When does Carter Deems face Reed Dollaz?
These fuckboyz trying extra hard to prove that the Saltines are just a good as these Black Guys from the ghetto too.

Where are all the Eminems that can take down the Big Bad Gangster Poppa Docs?

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Yeah, to be honest, I'm not a big fan of a lot of battles where the battlers involved don't have much to say to each other or don't have styles that compliment one another well. That being said, style clashes can lead to fun battles; it's just more rare than it should be. Generally speaking, I don't really like a lot of battles where it's a lesser known west coast guy against a better known east coast guy. Prefer battles where people do their own things, and I've been pretty open to KOTD that I feel that way (both on and off the board).

Personally I liked Calicoe vs Pat as a battle before it happened because they both have such a strong presence in their battles. Wasn't that happy with the end product. K-Shine did great for no prep, but him vs Dan was pretty uncomfortable. Kind of like they'd never seen each other before and names were drawn from a hat.
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...how are clowns based on black people? The concept extends from court jesters
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Yeah, to be honest, I'm not a big fan of a lot of battles where the battlers involved don't have much to say to each other or don't have styles that compliment one another well. That being said, style clashes can lead to fun battles; it's just more rare than it should be. Generally speaking, I don't really like a lot of battles where it's a lesser known west coast guy against a better known east coast guy. Prefer battles where people do their own things, and I've been pretty open to KOTD that I feel that way (both on and off the board).

Personally I liked Calicoe vs Pat as a battle before it happened because they both have such a strong presence in their battles. Wasn't that happy with the end product. K-Shine did great for no prep, but him vs Dan was pretty uncomfortable. Kind of like they'd never seen each other before and names were drawn from a hat.
No one just wants to admit that white battle rap is different than black battle rap. White boys always do this self-degrading, comic, flyting, style of rap. While blacks do talk about over-exaggerated thug topics, there is always some sense of authenticity there. There is some sense of reality when you hear a Calicoe, Suge, Verb, Hollow, etc. Basically its not me calling you a faggot 6 times in a round and talking about how gay you are.

Yet, Saltines wanna call this 'style clashing' instead of calling it what it is.
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...how are clowns based on black people? The concept extends from court jesters

I just read it in a vice article cba to look up now Im at work but apparently their afros/big noses or shoes/entire garb is based on minstrel show standards of the time

having them not say anything/act foolishly/ all stuffed in one car is based on stereotypes of the time

yeah court jesters/clowns existed but modern american clowns are based on minstrels

you canadian you wouldnt understand clowns prolly diff over there they prolly based on native americans


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I just read it in a vice article cba to look up now Im at work but apparently their afros/big noses or shoes/entire garb is based on minstrel show standards of the time

having them not say anything/act foolishly/ all stuffed in one car is based on stereotypes of the time

yeah court jesters/clowns existed but modern american clowns are based on minstrels

you canadian you wouldnt understand clowns prolly diff over there they prolly based on native americans


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Right, so trying to get battlers over from leagues with more views in order to get battlers on their own league some shine and more competition is...somehow just setting up "black vs white"?

Come on, man. I know that this site is overly pro-KOTD and you have issues with them as a league, but do you not see yourself reaching way too far in your attempts to criticise them?

I mean, this card name is pretty inflammatory and I imagine it's going to lead to a lot of really awkward, uncomfortable, racist battles. Pretty childish, but it's Micky Worthless and he's not a particularly witty guy.
I'm talking about the battles they call "style clash" battles or "thinking outside the box" because it's almost always the same dynamic. Not all of the kotd battles are like that, but it's clear that a bunch of them are.

Ill will vs bigg k- dope battle, made sense. Rone vs goodz- "style clash" battle. They have more battles like the latter than they do the former.

Also, I really don't see the name of the event as being inflammatory, and I personally don't see any the brown skin Ronald as blackface. I think @Water Mage pretty much nailed my interpretation of it. This whole thing is like an article out of The Onion to me. I look at it like they're satirizing kotd (they league's name is even kotR, lol).

And I don't buy the whole "get our guy some of the URL views" thing, tbh. It's never worked after all these tries. Put your own stars against each other, or make up sensible, inspired matchups. That's how you get views / attention. It doesn't happen overnight, but it's better than taking short cuts and overpaying people who DGAF. But even more to my point, these black vs white battles create a divide in the fans. I just want to watch dope battles, I don't want to see a bunch of fans rally behind a guy because of their race. What's happening is that this is becoming the overarching narrative of a lot of kotd battles, and it didnt used to be this way.

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...how are clowns based on black people? The concept extends from court jesters

I just read it in a vice article cba to look up now Im at work but apparently their afros/big noses or shoes/entire garb is based on minstrel show standards of the time

having them not say anything/act foolishly/ all stuffed in one car is based on stereotypes of the time

yeah court jesters/clowns existed but modern american clowns are based on minstrels

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No one just wants to admit that white battle rap is different than black battle rap. White boys always do this self-degrading, comic, flyting, style of rap. While blacks do talk about over-exaggerated thug topics, there is always some sense of authenticity there. There is some sense of reality when you hear a Calicoe, Suge, Verb, Hollow, etc. Basically its not me calling you a faggot for 6 times in a round and talking about how gay you are.

Yet, Saltines wanna call this 'style clashing' instead of calling it what it is.
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I mean, they are completely different styles of battle rap, so I think "style clash" is still appropriate. I mean, if you had NoCanDo vs Shotgun Suge (terrible battle idea), it'd still be a style clash. It would be better if people would own those style differences and give names to them; there's this kind of...embarrassment towards classification for a lot of old GT style battlers that are now left over and so they see any sort of classification be it either "nerd", "backpacker", etc. as a pejorative. Like...give another word for that style of battle rap, 'cause we all see there's a difference between the two.

Definitely way more influenced by flyting. Tbh, I wish that was pushed more in Canada as a lot of up and comers I see are trying to do battle rap influenced by guys like Suge when there's so little authenticity to it. All these dudes are growing up mocking their friends and trying to be more clever (at least to some extent) about how they call each other names, so the flyting style rap is more in line with the culture. This forced "street" image by people who're not at all like that makes for shittier battlers and discourages clever people who'd do the other style from entering.
@6000GP, not gonna quote and respond too directly to your post as I think this post sums up my feelings towards it. Essentially I agree, and I also don't think it was the best way to get views or dope battles; it's an experiment that has kind of failed and I am pretty sure KOTD is trying to avoid doing it now. If you're using Massacre as an example, remember that was a privately funded event. Also, a lot of "style clashes" may just be two dudes being available. Not an unlimited talent pool right now of affordable battles.
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lol, King of the Ronald's sounds like an awesome league and they also sum up damn near exactly what KOTD is trying to do. It seems like the whole white vs black guy thing can be alright from time to time, but we get it entirely way too much. To the point where it's not even a surprise to see stuff like thesaurus vs Math. And I know everyone on the forums loves those two, but when you think about it, it's just a weird ass match up lol.

What could these guy's possibly say to each other that doesn't sound ultra generic? I'll end up watching the match, but stuff like that just goes to show the whole white vs black angle has gone too far.
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