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Old 02-26-2014, 09:22 PM   #41
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Ye i forgot north weezy, theres alot more undeground shit i cant even remember.

Most of the shit posted is pretty mainstream.
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This is the best UK hip-hop track of all time. If you disagree, you are wrong:

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This is the best UK hip-hop track of all time. If you disagree, you are wrong:

So the best UK Hip Hop track is really by Black Sabbath?

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And guys it's not pronounced GARAGE. It's pronounced GARRIDGE!
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So the best UK Hip Hop track is really by Black Sabbath?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5yR5XhCIeg
The best UK hip hop track contains Black Sabbath samples, yes.
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An example of good grime:

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This is the best UK hip-hop track of all time. If you disagree, you are wrong:

Nice try but it's clearly this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jdvt2daVSJ8

So fucking dope.

Also respect to all in this thread: Jehst, M9 (and all of Triple Darkness), Lowkey, Rhyme Asylum, Task Force. Some of these guys have made some of the best hip hop of all time easily, shame it's so slept on in America. I write for UKHH.com and own a Scottish hip hop site tbf so I'm biased.

Guys, if you aint heard UKHH, jam Return of the Drifter by Jehst. It's my favourite album even over Illmatic, no lie.

Also can't believe that people actually thing grime is UKHH. They are too entirely different genres. Grime is not rap - grime MCs originated in the garage scene and its predecessors - think jungle/drum and bass MCs. So, so different - but there are rappers that experiment with it.
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Grime is not rap
Oh really? Than what are the MC's doing? Please tell me more.
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Oh really? Than what are the MC's doing? Please tell me more.
It's a stylistic term. Don't be pedantic.

Grime is a separate art form entirely. Do you think that the dudes hyping up D&B tunes etc in the mid 90s were "rapping"? Of course those genre had evolved massively up to where grime comes into it, but hip hop MCs and Grime Mcs are entirely different things...
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Nice try but it's clearly this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jdvt2daVSJ8

So fucking dope.
Good choice. Definitely one of my favourite M9 tracks.

People should check out Cyrus Malachi, also from Triple Darkness. Dude kills it.
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Good choice. Definitely one of my favourite M9 tracks.

People should check out Cyrus Malachi, also from Triple Darkness. Dude kills it.
I swear Cyrus has the most badass voice in rap. It's that "chh" he does at the end of every rhyme like he's snarling. Literally so many of his tracks inspire a screwface.

@ Americans - if you think British rap is just Shuffle Ts and Marlos, LISTEN TO CYRUS MALACHI.
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It's a stylistic term. Don't be pedantic.

Grime is a separate art form entirely. Do you think that the dudes hyping up D&B tunes etc in the mid 90s were "rapping"? Of course those genre had evolved massively up to where grime comes into it, but hip hop MCs and Grime Mcs are entirely different things...
Yes at certain points of course D&B MC's are "rapping". At other points they are just hosting. When they go biddabiddabiddamnamnamnamnamna they are scatting. Grime is 100% a form of rap AND a form of Hip Hop. Just because it has other influences doesn't mean it isn't rap. Is crunk music not rap? Is trap not rap? Is hyphy not rap?
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Yes at certain points of course D&B MC's are "rapping". At other points they are just hosting. When they go biddabiddabiddamnamnamnamnamna they are scatting. Grime is 100% a form of rap AND a form of Hip Hop. Just because it has other influences doesn't mean it isn't rap. Is crunk music not rap? Is trap not rap? Is hyphy not rap?
Yeah but grime was 80% influenced by garage. Garage MCing is not rapping, and has nothing to do with hip-hop.
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One of the best FITB's...
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Yes at certain points of course D&B MC's are "rapping". At other points they are just hosting. When they go biddabiddabiddamnamnamnamnamna they are scatting. Grime is 100% a form of rap AND a form of Hip Hop. Just because it has other influences doesn't mean it isn't rap. Is crunk music not rap? Is trap not rap? Is hyphy not rap?
GRIME IS NOT HIP HOP.

Yes, they use rapping rather than singing the majority of the time - you seem to think that chanting over a beat automatically makes something hip hop.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grime_(music)

Read this... Grime doesn't fall under hip hop, though it is definitely inspired by it in some ways. The beats are different, the MCing is different, I'm not just being a dick, ask anybody who's actually involved in it...
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Yeah but grime was 80% influenced by garage. Garage MCing is not rapping, and has nothing to do with hip-hop.
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Nobody's saying there aint an influence, it's just a different genre.
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Yeah but grime was 80% influenced by garage. Garage MCing is not rapping, and has nothing to do with hip-hop.
So grime MC's came out before Hip Hop MC's I guess?
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GRIME IS NOT HIP HOP.

Yes, they use rapping rather than singing the majority of the time - you seem to think that chanting over a beat automatically makes something hip hop.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grime_(music)

Read this... Grime doesn't fall under hip hop, though it is definitely inspired by it in some ways. The beats are different, the MCing is different, I'm not just being a dick, ask anybody who's actually involved in it...
If you are rapping over beats I don't care what anyone says involved or not that is a form of Hip Hop.
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So grime MC's cam out before Hip Hop MC's I guess?

If you are rapping over beats I don't care what anyone says involved or not that is a form of Hip Hop.
Dude, do you realise what you just said on a battle rap forum? Seriously confused to how people can be this misinformed?!
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Dude, do you realise what you just said on a battle rap forum? Seriously confused to how people can be this misinformed?!
This is why your UK Hip Hop doesn't get accepted in North America. You guys are the ones that are misinformed. Grime takes from Hip Hop in so many ways. The end result is MC's rapping over beats and you are trying to say that people that are rapping aren't rapping and it has nothing to do with Hip Hop. smh
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Grime has more to do with Hip Hop than Don't Flop does. smh
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Cas is dope.
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To say grime isn't at all influenced by hip hop would be inaccurate. It is definitely influenced by hip hop to some degree, but it is mostly influenced by garage. Next you'll be telling us that garage is hip-hop.
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This is why your UK Hip Hop doesn't get accepted in North America.
It doesn't get accepted because most Americans don't understand UK slang or references, and are not used to hearing urban British accents, especially over hip hop beats...
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Grime is influenced by uk garage and dnb/jungle mc'ing, which again is influenced by ragga, it's not US influenced at all and is pure UK bred, influenced by british jamaicans and related.

Don't flop is related to both hip-hop and grime cus their fans are hugely uk backpack boombap rap fans, but also grime fans and that's how they related, the fans cross over and the artists do to, the scenes are one family. Thats why peeps like dialect and youthoracle plus quite a few more grime mc's kill it in df also. And a few do both styles.

But they are different genres with different backgrounds, influences and origins.
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To say grime isn't at all influenced by hip hop would be inaccurate. It is definitely influenced by hip hop to some degree, but it is mostly influenced by garage. Next you'll be telling us that garage is hip-hop.
No because the MC is less vital in UKG but if the MC was constantly rapping I would say it's a form of Hip Hop. It definitely has its influences too. You guys think because a beat is at 140 bpm has some LFO wobble bass and a British guy rapping behind it all of a sudden it isn't Hip Hop.
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Grime is influenced by uk garage and dnb/jungle mc'ing, which again is influenced by ragga, it's not US influenced at all and is pure UK bred, influenced by british jamaicans and related.

Don't flop is related to both hip-hop and grime cus their fans are hugely uk backpack boombap rap fans, but also grime fans and that's how they related, the fans cross over and the artists do to, the scenes are one family. Thats why peeps like dialect and youthoracle plus quite a few more grime mc's kill it in df also. And a few do both styles.

But they are different genres with different backgrounds, influences and origins.
So you've took a census of the Don't Flop crowd? Interesting. I'm aware of the UKG/DNB/Ragga/British/Jamaican influences. To say no Grime MC's are US influenced is just fraudulent though. When I first started hearing Grime I just thought it was the UK's version of the Dirty South.
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But at the other end of the spectrum many North American producers are very influenced by Grime/UKG/DNB/Dubstep etc.

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So you've took a census of the Don't Flop crowd? Interesting. I'm aware of the UKG/DNB/Ragga/British/Jamaican influences. To say no Grime MC's are US influenced is just fraudulent though. When I first started hearing Grime I just thought it was the UK's version of the Dirty South.
Not at all, some trap beats have snuck in of later date, but the flows come from the uk. The same origins in flow were heavily present in uk hip-hop in the early days as well, hijack an gunshot were also more ragga uk than us inspired. Which is also where das efx and thereafter the us got doubletime flows from.

The uk never had a need to copy the us, in fact doing so has always been a big sin in uk hip-hop until these days of trap beat jacking. SAS among a few were early in on copying the us and they were kinda hated on in the uk for it. It seems to be more accepted now though.. as long as you don't rap in american.
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But at the other end of the spectrum many North American producers are very influenced by Grime/UKG/DNB/Dubstep etc.
We gave you dubstep, you ate it, did a shit and out came brostep. Now the whole world thinks of brostep every time the word 'dubstep' is mentioned. Way to show your appreciation.
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We gave you dubstep, you ate it, did a shit and out came brostep. Now the whole world thinks of brostep every time the word 'dubstep' is mentioned. Way to show your appreciation.
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Oh you guys thought the US created Bro step?

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Rusko pushed the snowball that became the avalanche, but American frat boy types are the reason it was ever taken seriously and subsequently mutated into what it is now.
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Didn't watch the vid, so no comment, UKHH discussion is cool though.

Skinnyman, Jehst, Roots Manuva, Lee Scott, Cas & Tommy Evans are among my favourite rap artists peroid, all UKHH and well worth checking out (especially Lee Scott, who I've not seen mentioned enough here):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2-V3Dt15pA

Not really into grime much these days, but when it was first around there was an incredible energy and rawness surrounding it. While there's clearly a big Hip-hop influence and overlap, from a UK perspective, it's very much it's own genre.
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Oh you guys thought the US created Bro step?

I blame skrillfuck, he made it a "thing" and did metal/dubstep fusions.
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Rusko pushed the snowball that became the avalanche, but American frat boy types are the reason it was ever taken seriously and subsequently mutated into what it is now.
I went to see Skream and Benga on a Sunday night in small club in TO called Wrongbar. Maybe a year after that I went to see Rusko at Mod Club. Not long after that I stopped listening to dubstep. I always thought Joker was gonna become a lot bigger than he did.

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Meanwhile, the dark, minimalistic, sub bass heavy old school sound that was the reason dubstep ever became popular in the first place is going through a massive revival in the UK underground scene. You should check out Youngsta's weekly Rinse FM podcast, which can be downloaded for free from the Rinse FM site.



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I went to see Skream and Benga on a Sunday night in small club in TO called Wrongbar. Maybe a year after that I went to see Rusko at Mod Club. Not long after that I stopped listening to dubstep. I always thought Joker was gonna become a lot bigger than he did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2D3ZM0aEzU
Joker is legendary.

I remember seeing Rusko at Sub Dub in Leeds back in 2005/2006, before brostep ever existed and before anybody outside of the UK underground knew who he was. I'm SUCH a hipster.

Before brostep he was making tunes likes this:

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Dubstep also linked into Grime and both branching off around the same time from Garage. First time I had ever heard a dubstep track that wasnt specifically a Grime beat was Skream - Midnight Request Line after some local guys were spitting over it.

One of or possibly the biggest Dubstep anthem ever, I thought captured a very UK centric style at the time and I still love it to this day.
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