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Old 03-13-2017, 05:08 PM   #1
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Which Battlers Got Better Over time

I'm sure there's been a thread about this at some point, but in the time I've gotten into battle rap it seems like battlers will get hot, take a million battles, and then quality takes a dive..

Is there anyone who got popular, took a bunch of battles, and then continued to improve over time? (I'm not referring to people who only take a couple battles a year)

Only guys I can think of who've arguably gotten better while still taking a fair amount of battles would be Thesaurus and Soul
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Fresco for sure.
How many battles does Fresco take a year?
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How many battles does Fresco take a year?
My reading skills haven't gotten better over time apparently
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Cal and Roc have evolved tremendously.
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This may be weird but I definitely feel like i got better over time.

Sorry for some of the earlier stuff...
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This may be weird but I definitely feel like i got better over time.

Sorry for some of the earlier stuff...
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you went from, this guy may be pretty awkward in real life

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okay i get it, he has self-awareness and i could grab a beer with him

and the writing seemed to follow the same format
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Soul. Went from "that guy has nice writing but that's pretty much it" to maybe the best British battler ever. If you watched him at the start, you'd find it very hard to believe he'd be the DF champion, defending his title with unanimous decisions and barely being able to get through his set ups without the crowd drowning him out

Idk, watching the reaction for his intro in the Real Deal battle, it hit me how far he's come
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I mean was Ave ever bad really tho?
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Like just because someone was doing really well on a small league but wasn't discovered until recently doesn't mean that they were bad previously.
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Soul. Went from "that guy has nice writing but that's pretty much it" to maybe the best British battler ever. If you watched him at the start, you'd find it very hard to believe he'd be the DF champion, defending his title with unanimous decisions and barely being able to get through his set ups without the crowd drowning him out

Idk, watching the reaction for his intro in the Real Deal battle, it hit me how far he's come
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But yeah I totally agree. Soul's stock has skyrocketed and it's wholly deserved. Basically the only time's he loses these days are when he chokes and beats himself (Caustic).
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Nitty really is the obvious answer, can't believe I missed that
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Soul. Went from "that guy has nice writing but that's pretty much it" to maybe the best British battler ever. If you watched him at the start, you'd find it very hard to believe he'd be the DF champion, defending his title with unanimous decisions and barely being able to get through his set ups without the crowd drowning him out

Idk, watching the reaction for his intro in the Real Deal battle, it hit me how far he's come
Yeah.

That intro surprised me too.
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Err... Scots are British whether they like it or not. Facts!

But yeah, Soul went from genuinely one of the worst to the (almost-)undisputed champ which is amazing.

Otherwise a lot of the guys that the people on the forum hate did this as they started off terrible but evolved to passable. Danny Myers, Uno Lavoz, Rone etc all started off garbage, but by their own low standards have continued to improve and Rone even became the champ.
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How has nobody said P Nut yet ?

*edit Illipsis deserves a shout here too
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I mean was Ave ever bad really tho?
Not saying that he was bad, but his earlier battles compared to his more recent showings are like night and day.
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Not saying that he was bad, but his earlier battles compared to his more recent showings are like night and day.

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Check back to his old shit - heaters back then
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Check back to his old shit - heaters back then
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I feel like this is a confused thread between most improved and who didn't age well but adjusted.

Calling some one who was considered dope 7-8 years ago (god damnnn its been that long?!?!?) Improved because they are still good now but their old material doesn't age great? Is that really most improved? Or adapted? Maybe new fans who look at prior battles in retrospect and see the weakness of ones that didnt age well.

Cal and Roc are examples of guys that got better over time. Arcane, tho I don't care for him and never did, from the first kotd events to just before whenever diz battled him, improved 10 fold.

Saying thesaurus, fresco, or rone improved over time... they were always seen as top tier in their lane from the start. Yeah, some ppls material aged well, some didn't, and some didn't bridge that gap. But i think calling a fresco most improved is a major stretch. He's a dude who maintained his status through elevation and progression... he was never looked at as anything less than now, even if in retrospect some of his current fans don't think his prior material aged well.
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so Ave is actually the reason I wanted to ask this question. He's arguably the most exciting main stage battler and "that guy" that everyone is talking about...

But, he had 2 battles all of last year (if I'm not mistaken), so chances are this year he's going to have more (including 2 battles within a month of each other, give or take). If he takes a dozen battles this year, what does that do to his writing?

A couple years ago, a similar conversation happened about Bigg K, and some of that initial hype has died down

Years before that, it seemed like similar conversations happened around Clips and DNA before they started getting booked 11x a week

Nitty is a great example of someone who started out exciting, and then last year had their best year ever

Sketch and Soul are great examples of guys who started slower and picked up steam

Cal I would have to look into, I don't see his name on a lot of new battles


I guess just wondering if there's a formula for evolution when your popularity spikes
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This may be weird but I definitely feel like i got better over time.

Sorry for some of the earlier stuff...
Very true and you're forgiven (by me atleast)
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Check back to his old shit - heaters back then
His first to URL battles got vaulted due to him getting smoked and fucking up a bunch.. his bars were always fire but I think hes definitely better at setting his shit up/structuring a round now then he was on seven city
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so Ave is actually the reason I wanted to ask this question. He's arguably the most exciting main stage battler and "that guy" that everyone is talking about...

But, he had 2 battles all of last year (if I'm not mistaken), so chances are this year he's going to have more (including 2 battles within a month of each other, give or take). If he takes a dozen battles this year, what does that do to his writing?

A couple years ago, a similar conversation happened about Bigg K, and some of that initial hype has died down

Years before that, it seemed like similar conversations happened around Clips and DNA before they started getting booked 11x a week

Nitty is a great example of someone who started out exciting, and then last year had their best year ever

Sketch and Soul are great examples of guys who started slower and picked up steam

Cal I would have to look into, I don't see his name on a lot of new battles


I guess just wondering if there's a formula for evolution when your popularity spikes

If you're wondering whether there's a correlation as in, your talent getting diluted the more battles you take?

Absolutely.
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real question is, is there a difference between progressing and getting better over time.

although they are super similar by actual definition...progression in battling means you are new and got better IE Ave.

getting better over time means someone sucked and out of nowhere got better after years of doing it
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If you're wondering whether there's a correlation as in, your talent getting diluted the more battles you take?

Absolutely.
Right, but I was wondering if there are battlers who've been able to do it.

So someone who gets hot, gets booked a ton, and then either at least remains hot OR gets better the more battles they do..

i.e. I would say that Bigg K got hot and remained consistent for well over a year, having said that, I think his current leave of absence came at a good time...

Nitty, Danja Zone, Soul, etc.... all are good examples
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real question is, is there a difference between progressing and getting better over time.

although they are super similar by actual definition...progression in battling means you are new and got better IE Ave.

getting better over time means someone sucked and out of nowhere got better after years of doing it
zactly

I think the former happens all the time but doesn't have a ton of sustainability

The latter is exciting but from what I've seen usually happens after a hiatus (i.e. fresco)
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