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Old 12-16-2016, 03:33 PM   #81
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Dope battle, edged to top with surf getting the first obviously


These fuckin crowds man, a iv-er-son line getting that much reaction in 2016
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With or without the choke, I feel like T-Top would have won this. Surf might be the better writer, but Top showed up 100%. 3 FIRE rounds and he matched Surf as far as performance value if not doing better. This is a URL classic because of his consistency.

It made his 3rd hit even harder. T-Top is officially #1... and now he has to face the URL secret boss.

Calicoe.

Honestly no clue how it would go. Calicoe likes to make it look easy, and T is more like Tay Roc in terms of approach. Top has a separate style where he can clown on you though, leading me to believe he can go tit for tat with Cal on the "I'm not even trying" shtick he does.

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T-Top is officially #1... and now he has to face the URL secret boss.

Calicoe.

Honestly no clue how it would go. Calicoe likes to make it look easy, and T is more like Tay Roc in terms of approach. Top has a separate style where he can clown on you though, leading me to believe he can go tit for tat with Cal on the "I'm not even trying" shtick he does.

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I've been saying for a minute, this would be such a crazy URL battle (but considering that Cal ended up not battling Clips at NOME 6 because he wanted too much money leads me to believe this might not happen anytime soon, as badly as I want to see this happen).
I don't think it was just money tho, if you look at this card it was really like a vets vs up and comers.. I think they realized that they can cut probably 8,000 dollars off the budget while at the same time try to build up Ill will somebody that they're really pushing right now

In order to keep pushing top higher and higher in status they're gonna have to book him against Cal and Goodz these next two big events.. the battle will happen
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@PriceAintRight I think top would do well I just think Cal is one of the best at making the battler in front of him look like a lil nigga.. and top already doesn't have that boss like presence about him

I think Cal would just look like he's on a different level than him on that stage..

When you go back and watch Cal vs Roc that first round it's not like Tay was wack but it literally looked like Cal was battling his son lol if you watch you'll see what I mean
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One of the best battles Ive watched in a looong ass time. The reactions in this battle give it mega replay value. TTOP was nice in this one. Tsu kinda fell after his first.


But man smack with the reaction followed by that guy who put his arms out like he was touched by gods soul after ttop spit. Fuck I laughed. Awesome.
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What Top does is a lost art in modern battle rap and I love it. Maybe not the pedophile angle though, I wasn't really interested in that so I tuned it out.

Entertaining battle. I would love to see Top vs. Goodz someday soon.
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battle was cool, dunno if I'm feelin it as much as other people itt though. Battle kept my interest enough to watch the whole thing, which is something. There were some great moments but Im kinda with ux9 - just too many conceited 'what the fuck does that mean' lines.
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I don't think it was just money tho, if you look at this card it was really like a vets vs up and comers.. I think they realized that they can cut probably 8,000 dollars off the budget while at the same time try to build up Ill will somebody that they're really pushing right now

In order to keep pushing top higher and higher in status they're gonna have to book him against Cal and Goodz these next two big events.. the battle will happen
Agree completely on Top vs Goodz. Makes too much sense. And URL doesn't seem like they fuck with Qleen but if you put that as a headliner next to Cal/Qleen, then grab two more big battles, that could be a UW High Stakes type of event imo.
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watched last night before bed and was a bit disappointed tbh. I watched the whole thing but it was pretty light imo...loads of gas, stretching etc, just everything that's wrong with battle rap (mainly URL tbh) these days. can't remember a single bar
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Agree completely on Top vs Goodz. Makes too much sense. And URL doesn't seem like they fuck with Qleen but if you put that as a headliner next to Cal/Qleen, then grab two more big battles, that could be a UW High Stakes type of event imo.
Cal would never battle Qleen, he fucks with him too much
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What Top does is a lost art in modern battle rap and I love it.
what did he do in this battle that other people dont do?

angles shine already covered?

big t's signature "nah that was wack"?

dna's boring ass jab every bar to build up momentum as if you're a puncher?

or that drug talk which he's largely gotten away from in recent battles

people saying t top won is NOT because he's using this unique style but because he reformatted his style when he hit the big stage to formulaically win, which is also why a lot of people here are saying they prefer surf despite t top 'ticking off the boxes' as it were, to win a battle rap round
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idk how it hasnt been mentioned yet but like watching t top's rounds really felt like he locked himself in a room with nwx and let them help him write his bars and also violently edited his material, which - while i can't take away from its EFFECTIVENESS - just generally makes me care less about his material overall
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'custodian at the school walking with the mop' line is nice because his weapon is so large, it is forcing him to walk while carrying in such a way so it looks like he is a custodian pushing a mop, and he illustrates what this looks like while he is saying it.

not great, but nice

"said they call him the bear, well I'm there like, where bear at? catch him by his foot, he cry wolf, I'm in that bear trap, look like a bear, (licks fingers) tastes like, deer snatch"
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Surf clearly lost.

But thats nothing new for a guy who's entire career is full of either clear losses or debatables, and virtually no clear wins.

Top may have won the battle but he just didn't do quite enough to truly damage Surf's stock. Surf will be back on the radio tomorrow doing what he actually really does best, which ain't battle rap, but talk wild hilarious shit in interviews.

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nowhere near the battle of the year as some people claim, might not even be the battle of the month tbh

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Watching this again today.
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surf's first is a classic round i be listenin to it in the car now and its only two days old
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Man T Top is really good. also he reminds me of Gengar. He even sounds like him a bit

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Surf clearly lost.

But thats nothing new for a guy who's entire career is full of either clear losses or debatables, and virtually no clear wins.

Top may have won the battle but he just didn't do quite enough to truly damage Surf's stock. Surf will be back on the radio tomorrow doing what he actually really does best, which ain't battle rap, but talk wild hilarious shit in interviews.
Niggas say this all the time but never back it up

Clear Wins: Hitman (Classic), X factor (Classic), K Shine, Tay Roc, Daylyt, Brixx, Weez, Torch

Debatables: Hollow, Conceited (Classic), T-Top

Clear Losses: Calicoe, Clips, Yung Ill (Classic), Big T (Classic), Dna, Verb

That's not a bad resume at all when you consider the fact that he battled all of them in their prime and that out of those he really only had 2 performances that weren't good

Didn't count suge due to a nigga throwing a bottle at him fucking up the battle not to mention the guntitles first performance which was a true classic moment in battle rap

Also I was very tough on Surf with the scoring here there are plenty of ppl that would argue he beat Big T and Yung Ill and can make a solid argument

There aren't too many battlers that if you lined them up with all of these battlers they'd have anywhere close to that resume
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Seen this 3 times now in its entirety. After going through all the gas, watching recaps, reviews, etc..

I've got it like this.

Round 1- Surf. I follow Jay Blac's opinion here in that the layered lyricism was too much this round. Surf went in. Top was NASHTY, but it couldn't compare.

Round 2- T-Top. His performance value and overall believable nature is SUCH a factor to me. He gives me that FEEL, you know? All of his material hit harder for me.

Round 3- T-Top by default, but I feel he'd have won anyway. As soon as he went into the Juvie bit, it'd have been over, especially since he was going last. T managed to really get the crowd on lock here and it felt fresh.

Super good battle. Added to the favorites for sure.
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Just rewatched and made my final call.. Surf 2-1 first and second
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Clear Wins: Hitman (Classic), X factor (Classic), K Shine, Tay Roc, Daylyt, Brixx, Weez, Torch

Debatables: Hollow, Conceited (Classic), T-Top

Clear Losses: Calicoe, Clips, Yung Ill (Classic), Big T (Classic), Dna, Verb

That's not a bad resume at all when you consider the fact that he battled all of them in their prime and that out of those he really only had 2 performances that weren't good

Didn't count suge due to a nigga throwing a bottle at him fucking up the battle not to mention the guntitles first performance which was a true classic moment in battle rap

Also I was very tough on Surf with the scoring here there are plenty of ppl that would argue he beat Big T and Yung Ill and can make a solid argument

There aren't too many battlers that if you lined them up with all of these battlers they'd have anywhere close to that resume
Let me adjust your list and add a new category.


Clear Wins: Hitman (Classic), X factor (Classic), K-Shine

Debatables: Hollow, Conceited (Classic), Tay Roc

Clear Losses: Calicoe, Clips, Yung Ill (Classic), Big T (Classic), Dna, Verb, T-Top

Nobody cares: Daylyt, Brixx, Weez, Torch


Personally, I think he lost to both Conceited and Tay-Roc. The K-Shine battle was debatable considering Shine won the 1st, lost the 2nd and the 3rd was a toss up.

No matter what, that isn't the resume for somebody who is asking for Mook.
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Clear Wins: Hitman (Classic), X factor (Classic), K-Shine

Debatables: Hollow, Conceited (Classic), Tay Roc

Clear Losses: Calicoe, Clips, Yung Ill (Classic), Big T (Classic), Dna, Verb, T-Top

Nobody cares: Daylyt, Brixx, Weez, Torch


Personally, I think he lost to both Conceited and Tay-Roc. The K-Shine battle was debatable considering Shine won the 1st, lost the 2nd and the 3rd was a toss up.

No matter what, that isn't the resume for somebody who is asking for Mook.
If we're just keeping it a buck then Mooks resume...

Clear Wins: Iron Solomon, Lux pt.2

Debatables: Serious Jones, Lux pt.1

Clear losses: Party Arty, Jae Millz

Nobody Cares: Weeze, Young Hot

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Old 12-19-2016, 05:34 AM   #111
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If we're just keeping it a buck then Mooks resume...

Clear Wins: Iron Solomon, Lux pt.2

Debatables: Serious Jones, Lux pt.1

Clear losses: Party Arty, Jae Millz

Nobody Cares: Weeze, Young Hot

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I mostly agree, personally.

I would say that people do care about Young Hot because that was the battle that launched Mook into the modern format where material was tailored specifically for who you were battling. Personals and angles were pioneered by Mook. Prior to that, street battle rappers just walked to different corners on the block and recycled the same raps, which is what you see Mook doing on Smack DVD prior to Young Hot.

Regardless of resume, Mook is the undisputed biggest fish in the battle rap pond. Hasn't lost even a single round in the modern format. You have to earn that battle. Personally, from what I've seen of Surf in the modern era I don't think he has done that. Hollow has earned it. Charlie Clips, I think has earned it. But thats just about it.

From Mook's angle, his stock doesn't rise unless he battles and beats either a Hollow or Clips. A victory against anybody else on some lower tier wouldn't really change anything for him or do anything positive for his career.

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Surf 2-1

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Old 12-19-2016, 06:28 AM   #113
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If any employee of URL stalkin these forums, this battle is what y'all need to hold as one of the gold standards. Even with Surfs short 3rd, so much fire.
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Whatever clips earned he lost when he started showing up to battles tryna freestyle getting 30'd every other week and I disagree whether you think Surf has earned it or not I think there are more options for him than you are making it out to be

I think Hollow and Ars have earned the mook battle (both heavy Mt. Rushmore candidates) and milk can gain from it

And I think in the battle world Mook's goat claim/Stock would go through the roof if he clearly beat Surf/Cal/Hitman

I think those are the 3 faces of the URL generation under him and I think until mook beats one of them there will always be a question of could he of competed in this era

(Verb kinda was buzzin more right before the URL shit popped off with the SB and Hollow battle... but his stock kinda died down otherwise he'd be on that list )

Also as much as I hate Diz he's the only one I can think of who deserves it so I think one Kotd battle on the west coast would help Mook as well he needs a road game on his resume
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wondering how long until the consensus on who won this battle favors surf 2-1. no disrespect to t-top.
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Fire battle?? This battle was ass juice. Crowd was terrible, Tsunami cant even get his shit off has to repeat his whole shit annoying as fuck. On that note Top got it. Thumbs down.
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