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Old 09-22-2020, 04:39 PM   #81
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You'd have to think KOTD is pretty elated with how all of this played compared to the worst case scenario.

-The battle regenerated discussion/excitement for KOTD after they went through quite the lull in activity during the pandemic.

-KOTD keeps their biggest star in the tournament

-Frak doesn't care enough about the outcome to egg on the smear campaign against KOTD for how poorly the judging was organized. He's happy enough with how the battle/his performance will enhance his professional brand as an artist/content creator.

-The judging issue happened early enough in the tournament that KOTD can address it right away and not allow similar problems to hamper future battles/outcomes.
The larger issue at hand is the lack of faith in judging undermining the entire tournament. Everyone was upset that bigg k didn’t do the tournament, and he immediately tweets that shit like this is exactly why. Other battlers have tweeted the same sentiment. And you’re spot on about it being lucky that this is Frak who has a ton of other stuff going on. Could you imagine a scenario like this playing out where it’s someone like Head Ice on the wrong end of a blatant robbery for 50k? Something tells me he wouldn’t just laugh it off.

The stakes are only gonna get higher as the tournament progresses and they need to really solidify some respect as far as their judging system goes or there will inevitably be a lot more drama as we get closer to the 50k.
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Old 09-22-2020, 04:43 PM   #82
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Frak could've battled a wet diaper and some people here would've been like "yo but diaper had more presence".
Presence is kind of important though isn't it? What bothers me the most are the awkward switches to a growly aggressive delivery on punchlines, it feels jarring and takes away from the impact of the line.

I'm always going back and fourth on Frak, he obviously has talent, he has creative/smart angles, he can write and sometimes he gets into a nice flow (maybe a bit too similar to Rone at times though), but I feel like he's still getting it together. I'm struggling to put my finger on it, I think maybe he is a little too self-aware and is still figuring out exactly how to present himself? That's how it comes across to me, just a bit disjointed. If I was judging this I'd have definitely given him the win, but without having to it's just a battle I didn't really enjoy from either side and I can see why people are going with Diz.
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Why the fuck does Dizasters presence matter vs Frak. He went ballistic against a scrawny white nerd to try and intimidate him and Frak kept composure just making diz look even more like a clown. Frak knew this and played in on it w/ the paper. Just because everyone facing diz is not having a fucking temper tantrum doesn't mean they lack the right presence.

These four judges werent clowns or whatever they were just not fit for the task. At the end of the day the controversy worked out for everyone because literally everybody is talking about it, boosting views for kotd. Diz advances to the next round so he aint mad either. Frak is going viral in multiple countries and hes getting good looks on his battles and music rn.

I don't think anyone who is actually involved in this whole ordeal is complaining. Aside from some dirty looks towards the judges its gonna blow over
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Why the fuck does Dizasters presence matter vs Frak. He went ballistic against a scrawny white nerd to try and intimidate him and Frak kept composure just making diz look even more like a clown. Frak knew this and played in on it w/ the paper. Just because everyone facing diz is not having a fucking temper tantrum doesn't mean they lack the right presence.

These four judges werent clowns or whatever they were just not fit for the task. At the end of the day the controversy worked out for everyone because literally everybody is talking about it, boosting views for kotd. Diz advances to the next round so he aint mad either. Frak is going viral in multiple countries and hes getting good looks on his battles and music rn.

I don't think anyone who is actually involved in this whole ordeal is complaining. Aside from some dirty looks towards the judges its gonna blow over
On the nose! Everyone wins here, Frak being the biggest winner of all. Beating Diz as opposed to being seen as having been robbed against him does way more for him imo.
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You'd have to think KOTD is pretty elated with how all of this played compared to the worst case scenario.

-The battle regenerated discussion/excitement for KOTD after they went through quite the lull in activity during the pandemic.

-KOTD keeps their biggest star in the tournament

-Frak doesn't care enough about the outcome to egg on the smear campaign against KOTD for how poorly the judging was organized. He's happy enough with how the battle/his performance will enhance his professional brand as an artist/content creator.

-The judging issue happened early enough in the tournament that KOTD can address it right away and not allow similar problems to hamper future battles/outcomes.
Most of the chat were upset with the judging and spammed "RIGGED" in chat. I wonder how much of the audience will return for the next round.
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Most of the chat were upset with the judging and spammed "RIGGED" in chat. I wonder how much of the audience will return for the next round.
All of them. Each and every person who said it's rigged. Because a week is enough to calm down, and they'll be interested to see KOTD's changes.
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It sucks for Frak for sure but he got paid to battle (all participants got a minimum payment just for entering) and now he has the attention of the bigger names he's been wanting to battle for years. Plus him vs Diz will get really good views if it hasn't already. It's a win/lose.
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I'm interested to see how KOTD incorporates the tweaks they've made to the judging system for their next broadcast, and legitimately, I think the South division is both intriguing and honestly one that I think is kinda being slept on a bit.
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Frak could've battled a wet diaper and some people here would've been like "yo but diaper had more presence".
Look, I never said I have Diz winning this battle. And I see that mocking me makes you feel powerful and in control. I'm explaining why I think the judges picked Diz to win. That is why I mentioned "presence."


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Why the fuck does Dizasters presence matter vs Frak. He went ballistic against a scrawny white nerd to try and intimidate him and Frak kept composure just making diz look even more like a clown. Frak knew this and played in on it w/ the paper. Just because everyone facing diz is not having a fucking temper tantrum doesn't mean they lack the right presence.

These four judges werent clowns or whatever they were just not fit for the task. At the end of the day the controversy worked out for everyone because literally everybody is talking about it, boosting views for kotd. Diz advances to the next round so he aint mad either. Frak is going viral in multiple countries and hes getting good looks on his battles and music rn.

I don't think anyone who is actually involved in this whole ordeal is complaining. Aside from some dirty looks towards the judges its gonna blow over
I suspect that his presence mattered to the judges because they probably think that he looks and acts like their image of a battle rapper. Why else would they have voted for him?
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Presence is kind of important though isn't it? What bothers me the most are the awkward switches to a growly aggressive delivery on punchlines, it feels jarring and takes away from the impact of the line.

I'm always going back and fourth on Frak, he obviously has talent, he has creative/smart angles, he can write and sometimes he gets into a nice flow (maybe a bit too similar to Rone at times though), but I feel like he's still getting it together. I'm struggling to put my finger on it, I think maybe he is a little too self-aware and is still figuring out exactly how to present himself? That's how it comes across to me, just a bit disjointed. If I was judging this I'd have definitely given him the win, but without having to it's just a battle I didn't really enjoy from either side and I can see why people are going with Diz.
Of course, presence matters subjectively. Some people think that it shouldn't because it can give bullies the upper hand at times.

Its a bad look to bully someone smaller than yourself. Remember when Cal punked Pat? More people were cool with Cal doing that to Pat, then Diz trying to do that to Frak. Personally, I think talking during rounds and touching etc should be kept to a bare minimum.

Some people preferred Frak's grace under pressure swag (presence) to Diz's aggro ways. I see them both as extremists in their own directions.

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Okay I watched it three times
The first round I gave to Diz
Round two was a tie but if it wasn't I'll give it to Frak
And round 3 I gave to Frak
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As for your question about my frak distaste, I met him in person and he rubbed me the wrong way (nh)
Lol yeah your first human contactíll do that to you.

This fool Formy actively perpetuated a hate campaign against Frak for years. Donít let dispassionate psychopath guise of even-tempered logic fool you.
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Of course, presence matters subjectively. Some people think that it shouldn't because it can give bullies the upper hand at times.

Its a bad look to bully someone smaller than yourself. Remember when Cal punked Pat? More people were cool with Cal doing that to Pat, then Diz trying to do that to Frak. Personally, I think talking during rounds and touching etc should be kept to a bare minimum.

Some people preferred Frak's grace under pressure swag (presence) to Diz's aggro ways. I see them both as extremists in their own directions.
I don't mind the occasional conversational rebuttal from someone after their opponent has said a bar, more often than not it usually amounts to fun banter between battlers. But yeah, if someone's rapping, and their opponent is being super extra with purposely trying to throw them off, I'm not really a fan of that.
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lol if dizasters material in this battle isn't strong enough on the first watch its not gonna improve over time. his first round he spit a normal dizaster round, and the next two he just threw shit together and ended his rounds awkwardly like he forgot his material.
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lol if dizasters material in this battle isn't strong enough on the first watch its not gonna improve over time.
There are plenty of examples of other people discussing how material ages either good or bad and how different things are caught later down the line. Your comment is out of step with reality
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Old 10-08-2020, 03:32 PM   #115
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Where can I watch the battle?
One way is by signing up for the KOTD Twitch.. if you are a prime member it is 2.99$ a month or something like that
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Old 10-09-2020, 12:27 AM   #116
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There are plenty of examples of other people discussing how material ages either good or bad and how different things are caught later down the line. Your comment is out of step with reality
haha that is absolutely not the case with dizaster's material this battle.
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One way is by signing up for the KOTD Twitch.. if you are a prime member it is 2.99$ a month or something like that
Is this how all kotd battles will be from now on? I haven't really been watching much battles for the last year or so but i still try to keep up with what's going on in the scene. If the only way for me to watch battles from now on is to pay for either a caffeine or twitch membership i for real might just stop pay attention to battle rap all together cause i do not care enough to even pay a couple of dollars, things have become that boring

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One way is by signing up for the KOTD Twitch.. if you are a prime member it is 2.99$ a month or something like that
i'm weird because i would rather spend $50 on a PPV than pay $9 a month for the URL app. $2.99 isnt bad but i hate monthly billing and im not really a fan of KOTD... tho ICE vs ty law was a battle i wanted to see along with diz vs frak because of the controversy.

im like 50/50 on it.
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i'm weird because i would rather spend $50 on a PPV than pay $9 a month for the URL app. $2.99 isnt bad but i hate monthly billing and im not really a fan of KOTD... tho ICE vs ty law was a battle i wanted to see along with diz vs frak because of the controversy.

im like 50/50 on it.
You can skip Diz vs. Frak. Except for the controversy and Frak's big moment that you can probably see, it was a pretty weak battle.

ICE vs. dope though.
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i'm weird because i would rather spend $50 on a PPV than pay $9 a month for the URL app. $2.99 isnt bad but i hate monthly billing and im not really a fan of KOTD... tho ICE vs ty law was a battle i wanted to see along with diz vs frak because of the controversy.

im like 50/50 on it.
I also checked the page, because I was kinda interested in watching some of these, but the page says:

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Hmmm... seems a little vague on whether you can rewatch or not
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