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Old 12-06-2016, 09:51 PM   #41
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I'm sure he can beat rookies ; doesn't make a case for him being any better than what I'm claiming him to be ; which is a ... decent mid tier rapper ; not the best in any field of battle rap or even close , esp not with regard to writing
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Old 12-06-2016, 09:52 PM   #42
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do u think gjonjiai is better than him ? idk I forgot if they battled
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I'm sure he can beat rookies ; doesn't make a case for him being any better than what I'm claiming him to be ; which is a ... decent mid tier rapper ; not the best in any field of battle rap or even close , esp not with regard to writing
Name me 3 people with better pens than JC. I'll wait on that. And to answer your post about Gjonaj, JC gave Gjo a shot years back. I'm in the camp that thinks JC won, but I've heard the opposite opinion as well.
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Old 12-06-2016, 09:56 PM   #44
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okay well , to answer your q who "has a better pen " , tell me jcs best battle so I can revisit it and tell u who writes better than that
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okay well , to answer your q who "has a better pen " , tell me jcs best battle so I can revisit it and tell u who writes better than that
JC vs QP is gonna be my answer from now on because that's against the other best pen in battle rap so... yeah. Go with that.
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Surf?... Better pen than JC? The dude who wrote "Holla I'll pin ya head to the fuckin wall" as if Jalapeno worked there?

Nah... nah take that somewhere.
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Surf?... Better pen than JC? The dude who wrote "Holla I'll pin ya head to the fuckin wall" as if Jalapeno worked there?

Nah... nah take that somewhere.
We probably judge pens different but that church shit, that bible scheme, cap room bar, that nigga got some shit don't do that
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We probably judge pens different but that church shit, that bible scheme, cap room bar, that nigga got some shit don't do that
I ain't denying Surf got some shit, but JC got shit like that too. Stuff I think is more creative tbh. Personal favorite bar of his (against J Murda, referencing Team Homi):

"You up here tryna be Seth Curry... Just so we know you
And I say Seth, cause your brother lead this team of warriors, but now YOU in the game
so you can wear this 3-0 too"

Also that "Face the tree or get chin checked" is still hard as bricks to this day.

I don't rate Surf in the same category as a lot of these dudes because he resides in that echelon of battlers that can coast on star power when his shit isn't actually as good.
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I hate this pen argument tho is the nigga a good battle rapper or not there are more elements to battle rap than your pen...

Jc is a dope text battler yes but when he gets in the ring with the best niggas he gets dragged

He's the Kyle Korver of battle rap... dope specialist (pen) but pen niggas lose to good battle rappers
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I hate this pen argument tho is the nigga a good battle rapper or not there are more elements to battle rap than your pen...

Jc is a dope text battler yes but when he gets in the ring with the best niggas he gets dragged

He's the Kyle Korver of battle rap... dope specialist (pen) but pen niggas lose to good battle rappers
You're missing the point. Not saying he's the best battler out (lacks the performance to contend with those guys, but who knows, maybe he's got it now). Just a pen fan.

But I think he actually IS a good battler. This dude has been in his prime all year. I think a return against some bigger names would show much different results than the last few times.
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My problem with JC is he does great against the bullet bill low name type guys but when it comes to big comp it's not even close.

Having good writing is fine but ars showed him what it takes to be well rounded.
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Craig Lamar vs Deadman at the bunker would be fire. I got JC 2-1. Craig Lamar impressed me (first time watching him) his 3rd was fire and he had really solid rounds 1 & 2. He seemed to have a few awkward pauses while JC was clean all 3 rounds. In fact I really enjoyed JC, arguably 3-0 for him. As some people have said he's had some really good battles this year and can possibly be in contention for top 10 BOTY. JC vs The Saurus would be dope and for some reason throughout Craig Lamars rounds I couldn't help think Deadman + Tech 9=Craig Lamar.

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You're missing the point. Not saying he's the best battler out (lacks the performance to contend with those guys, but who knows, maybe he's got it now). Just a pen fan.

But I think he actually IS a good battler. This dude has been in his prime all year. I think a return against some bigger names would show much different results than the last few times.
Nah I get that you're saying his pen is better and not he is better.. I think ppl just judge it differently than me I think there are a few elements to having a dope pen

Setups, Haymakers, Some Complexity (I don't give points for forced complexity or being over complex), Substance, and I think connecting and structure is huge for me

I don't personally like when ppl jump from one area to another/leave shit unfinished

I think Surf and Jc both check off in all of those categories I just personally think surf when he's on is noticeably better at structuring his rounds and connecting lines throughout a round that's why I give him the nod Jc is definitely one of the top pens in battle rap tho
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some weird over analyzing shit in here lol.. Never got the angle that posters need to think everybody needs to have the so called it factor.... JC is nice and I enjoy his battles at the end of the day.... Lamar showed up as well, was a good watch
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I think that JC is finally putting everything together. His only problem is a similar one to hundreds of guys in that he never gives you anything except great writing. For some people that is enough, for others we are left wanting.

Also JC needs to get his priorities right. He needs to start putting all of his energy into killing on the big stages and not waste great performances on nonames.
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jc's got bars, delivery and some performance but he's missing something. k-shine wooped his ass even though jc probably outbarred him.
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Hahaha "nigga you job hunt I hunt jobs" Hahahaha

That type shit
hahahaa, one of JC's lines that got mad reaction in this battle was something like "you trained hard for this one, huh, bitch I'm training now".
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jc kinda killed him without killing him

craig lamar's shit was hot but jc is so polished

craig lamar should def get some looks off this
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Craig's second was wildly creative but JC outclassed him every round
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JC died vs every top tier nigga he faced let's just keep him against these level of guys tbh
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Some niggas just don't have that it factor Larry Johnson average 20 and 10 in the 90s while he was at the Hornets the nigga was nice.. Jc is nice but when we look back on battle rap in 15 years he's gonna be Larry Johnson a good nigga that nobody talks about cause he didn't have that it factor and he didn't have any big moments to impact battle rap
What??? How young are you to say Larry Johnson didn't have the IT factor. Grandmama was one of the biggest things since Be Like Mike.

If he hadn't gotten injured he would have been huge. He might have had some Madea type movies made for him
Dude was chosen to be in Space Jam and other shows
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What??? How young are you to say Larry Johnson didn't have the IT factor. Grandmama was one of the biggest things since Be Like Mike.

If he hadn't gotten injured he would have been huge. He might have had some Madea type movies made for him
Dude was chosen to be in Space Jam and other shows
My nigga this is the first time youve talked about Larry Johnson since space jam but I'm just referring to him in terms of levels in basketball convo Mj, Barkley, Stockton, Malone their names still get mentioned

Larry Johnson was nice as hell tho I may have given these niggas too much love tho they are more like Joe Johnson's lol

I was referring to the battlers not having that it. The Larry Johnson comparison was more so to represent that if you don't have shit to really stamp your legacy you will be forgotten

That's why I brought up Larry Johnson tho is because if you ask the average 15 year old they have know idea who he was or that he was one of the best players in the league in the 90s yet they know who those other guys are.. you need something that defines you
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My nigga this is the first time youve talked about Larry Johnson since space jam but I'm just referring to him in terms of levels in basketball convo Mj, Barkley, Stockton, Malone their names still get mentioned

Larry Johnson was nice as hell tho I may have given these niggas too much love tho they are more like Joe Johnson's lol

I was referring to the battlers not having that it. The Larry Johnson comparison was more so to represent that if you don't have shit to really stamp your legacy you will be forgotten

That's why I brought up Larry Johnson tho is because if you ask the average 15 year old they have know idea who he was or that he was one of the best players in the league in the 90s yet they know who those other guys are.. you need something that defines you
I'm jus sayng its more of the length of career and injuries than it factor.

Joe Johnson better name

I have never really got the JC hype. You watch one JC battle you've seen them all
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I'm jus sayng its more of the length of career and injuries than it factor.

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I have never really got the JC hype. You watch one JC battle you've seen them all
That's facts and yeah not saying it factor for Larry just the stamp really.. Like Penny Hardaway also had his career destroyed by injuries but for some reason his name is a lot more popular than Larry's today..

Even though they both would of been killers if they had stayed healthy
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I'm jus sayng its more of the length of career and injuries than it factor.

Joe Johnson better name

I have never really got the JC hype. You watch one JC battle you've seen them all
I think the hype comes from the fact that he really hasn't had a clear loss the ENTIRE year. And he hasn't just been battling bums all year, not even close
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Him and clips was a one round battle tough to judge he definitely did good

But Roc fucked him up, Shine fucked him up, he lost and looked bad against Ars...
Them niggas with presence beat that nigga damn near every time... Charlie is the only top tier that he didn't clearly lose to and Charlie had that vibe of I'm trying to have a good battle not kill you the whole battle

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Really enjoyed JC's performance here. Dope overall battle, and I think Craig may have had a heart to heart with his pen following this.
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I've seen Craig Lamar twice live. He is dope. This battle was dope, and I think Craig might be top 10 in a few years. That being said... JC 3-0. Entertaining battle regardless.
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