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Old 08-31-2016, 08:17 PM   #1
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Who can legitimately beat Iron at this point?

He's obviously come back to take battling very seriously and has won his 4 battles since returning all by convincing margins. This dude 3-0d an on point Magic. How many people can say that. He seems pretty unbeatable at the moment. The only person I could think of was maybe Hollow but if you take both of their performances at the same event Iron vs Magic > Hollow vs Pat. I think Iron would go into that match as the favorite. Who do you guys think has a chance to legitimately beat him? And this is coming from someone who never even was really an Iron fan before his last 4 battles. Also we need that Iron vs Saurus in this format. Just has to be done.
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He 3-0'd magic?

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He 3-0'd magic?

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Idk man it's hard for me to even say it. I watched that battle probably 3 times and I think he outclassed Magic every round. And I've been way more of a Magic fan than Irons.
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He did beat magic and clips
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He did beat magic and clips
Not to take anything away from Iron's performances but if you re-do both of those battles on URL I'd expect much more effort from both Clips and Magic.
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Iron destroyed Daylyt. He beat Dizaster. That Magic battle was a classic - win for both. He was so much better than Clips.

I think Pat can compete with Iron, on every level. An Arsonal match would be an insta-classic, and a great reward from KOTD for Arsonal on his way out.

And yes Thesaurus deserves that. Thesaurus could be the best possible match considering their styles are similar with different deliveries.

Pat, Arsonal and Thesaurus.

(Hollow would have to be Mass3 - and I ain't trying to wait that long).
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Not to take anything away from Iron's performances but if you re-do both of those battles on URL I'd expect much more effort from both Clips and Magic.
Magic was in peak form though. Clips is just Clips. Basic and funny.
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Magic was in peak form though. Clips is just Clips. Basic and funny.
I don't know how many Magic battles you've watched but that was a C+/B- performance from him. He didn't punch with near the frequency or intensity that he would have done in peak form.
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as far as loyal KOTD battlers go, iron vs head ice would be really dope outside of cali and canada. if neither can get a more reasonable opponent for the next massacre, i'd wanna see that battle go down.

but if we're talking about who could beat him, the only names who come to mind are the current best. that speaks volumes about solomon's run regardless of the fact that he could take a loss.

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i really think thesaurus would kill him in a rematch but i can't really verbalize why i think that?

i honestly laugh out loud when i see ppl say pat would beat him


yea hollow would 3-0 him obv

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I think Hollow would beat him pretty easily tbh. I also think Saurus, Illmac (on his A-game), Bigg K, Pat Stay, Tay Roc, Con, Hitman, Calicoe and Lux could at the very least make it debatable.

Nothing against Iron. He's had an incredible comeback. But he's still very beatable.
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for some reason i think Illmac would destroy him. maybe cause i'm an Illmac stan but i actually tend to have rather realistic expectations of his abilities anyway.
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I think he should battle Pat and Cassidy.
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its obvious that Iron and Pat will eventually have to face each other at some point. him or the Saurus will make for great battles
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I think Hollow would beat him pretty easily tbh. I also think Saurus, Illmac (on his A-game), Bigg K, Pat Stay, Tay Roc, Con, Hitman, Calicoe and Lux could at the very least make it debatable.

Nothing against Iron. He's had an incredible comeback. But he's still very beatable.
If we're taking an A+ Iron vs an A+ version of all those battlers, the only ones that could maybe stand a chance are Saurus, Illmac, Pat and Lux. Cal, K and Hitman could possibly win in the building but no way they would win on cam. Con and Roc would get washed honestly. Just a different class of writing ability.
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i really think thesaurus would kill him in a rematch but i can't really verbalize why i think that?

i honestly laugh out loud when i see ppl say pat would beat him


yea hollow would 3-0 him obv
I'm really not mad at anyone saying Hollow. That would be a certified classic if they both came on point. But the fact that you say Hollow would 3-0 him obviously with so much certainty just has me confused.
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I'm really not mad at anyone saying Hollow. That would be a certified classic if they both came on point. But the fact that you say Hollow would 3-0 him obviously with so much certainty just has me confused.
its my opinion obv but im not even exagerating i think hollow would 3-0 him.
i think dude is very solid, top tier and in a lot of current top 10's but hollow's been #1 for a minute

thing is nowadays EVERY battle is 2-1 and its just a cop-out to say the other guy didnt do bad. it wasn't a "body"...ppl need 2 be honest w/themselves

hollow would do better every round and overall is wut im sayin
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its my opinion obv but im not even exagerating i think hollow would 3-0 him.
i think dude is very solid, top tier and in a lot of current top 10's but hollow's been #1 for a minute

thing is nowadays EVERY battle is 2-1 and its just a cop-out to say the other guy didnt do bad. it wasn't a "body"...ppl need 2 be honest w/themselves

hollow would do better every round and overall is wut im sayin
Quick question. Do you think Hollows performance against Pat was better than Irons vs Magic?
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Hollow would beat Solomon. It's obvious Iron would come with it, but at the top of their games, Hollow is better. But that's taking nothing away from Iron, his return has been sick
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I think Iron easily had the better performance of the 2. That's why I kinda feel like Iron would be the favorite if they battled.
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Apart from Diz (and what I've heard of the Clips battle so far), his battles since his return are preferences/debatables. Either speaks to how good Day and B-Magic are when they're on or how good Iron is at matching wits and making classics.

Dude's nice, no doubt. Really crafts three coherent and dope rounds and has every characteristic you'd want a battler and performer to have. It's just a matter of 'deserve'. He probably won't battle someone beneath his prominence and anyone calling him out from beneath him is just being wishful. This little list includes people I think could take him.

...truth be told, I liked how Iron stepped up his punchline game against Magic, so I wanna see how he does with someone whose flow is better than his. Iron Solomon vs. @Ness Lee. Set that up. Even though it won't be.

As far as who's logically next for him, a lot of people seem to want that Saurus rematch. I think that'd be another one for debate but with replay value all the same. I think Iron's pen and flow are miles ahead of Hollow's, but Hollow always lands at least one or two freestyles that seem to be enough to sway in his favor. I wanna see Iron vs. Qleen but I don't think they'd have much to really say to each other. Dope anyway.
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He's obviously come back to take battling very seriously and has won his 4 battles since returning all by convincing margins. This dude 3-0d an on point Magic. How many people can say that. He seems pretty unbeatable at the moment. The only person I could think of was maybe Hollow but if you take both of their performances at the same event Iron vs Magic > Hollow vs Pat. I think Iron would go into that match as the favorite. Who do you guys think has a chance to legitimately beat him? And this is coming from someone who never even was really an Iron fan before his last 4 battles. Also we need that Iron vs Saurus in this format. Just has to be done.
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Mook got 5-0d by that legion of doom vest. Honestly though anyone that has ever finished that battle, props. But this thread is about his return in the last year.
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Haha I don't watch that shit but is he really that good off of Kotd? At some point he's gonna have to show us his presence and crowd control before I call the nigga unbeatable
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Iron is definitely not invincible. That's ridiculous. But his 4 battle comeback has been the most impressive bunch of battles from anyone recently.

You heard it hear first; Thesaurus vs Iron with 5, 90 second rounds...

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Apart from Diz (and what I've heard of the Clips battle so far), his battles since his return are preferences/debatables. Either speaks to how good Day and B-Magic are when they're on or how good Iron is at matching wits and making classics.

Dude's nice, no doubt. Really crafts three coherent and dope rounds and has every characteristic you'd want a battler and performer to have. It's just a matter of 'deserve'. He probably won't battle someone beneath his prominence and anyone calling him out from beneath him is just being wishful. This little list includes people I think could take him.

...truth be told, I liked how Iron stepped up his punchline game against Magic, so I wanna see how he does with someone whose flow is better than his. Iron Solomon vs. @Ness Lee. Set that up. Even though it won't be.

As far as who's logically next for him, a lot of people seem to want that Saurus rematch. I think that'd be another one for debate but with replay value all the same. I think Iron's pen and flow are miles ahead of Hollow's, but Hollow always lands at least one or two freestyles that seem to be enough to sway in his favor. I wanna see Iron vs. Qleen but I don't think they'd have much to really say to each other. Dope anyway.
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Not to take anything away from Iron's performances but if you re-do both of those battles on URL I'd expect much more effort from both Clips and Magic.
I feel you, but personally not a fan of hypothetical scenarios... You right it wasn't a top tier B-Magic showing, but he didn't have one in his last handful of battles, and doesn't seem to care about the "Only URL shit counts".... Love B-Magic as much as anybody, but punchline heavy cats, without stage performance, usually have short stays to fickle fans.... Magic was in most cats top 3 on here, to now almost being an afterthought...

Personally think Iron would still lose to more aggressive cats in URL, despite how polished he is... But don't think Magic was one of them to pull it off... all opinions though...
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Not to take anything away from Iron's performances but if you re-do both of those battles on URL I'd expect much more effort from both Clips and Magic.
Iron did highlight that in his battle vs clips , an effective and true angle

I think a battle is a battle no matter where it is , ESPECIALLY when ur opponent is a esteemed as Solomon , so that point is not even worth mentioning jmo

Cuz its not like they were battling madflex on Kotd they were battling fucken Solomon
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Old 08-31-2016, 11:44 PM   #33
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I honestly think it would take someone hungry, maybe someone that seems like a step down . Maybe a Fresco or Ness Lee . Iron is great but something about his cadence can get kind of sing-songy and someone that can write on par and rap better could beat him .
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The Saurus, Lux, Hollow, & mayyyybe Pat Stay as far as battlers who would also be on Iron's radar.

I'd enjoy seeing him vs Bender, Illmac, Conceited, or Tony D.

I predict his next battle with be vs Ars, Shotty, Dumbfoundead, or Hitman tho.

EDIT- I'd also make him #1 pick to battle the next industry dude to hop in the ring.

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Old 09-02-2016, 11:24 AM   #35
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lol take him out of kotd and thats it.
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Old 09-02-2016, 01:10 PM   #36
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Based on his sing song flow if Verb or Lux came with 3 motivated rounds Solomon could get smoked, and Goodz in front of a URL crowd would be an awful stylistic match for him (I know Solomon is miles better technically but that wasn't the question). I gave Daylyt their match too, but other than that I can't think of anyone. Solomon easy top 5 oat.
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You're strictly talking about in KOTD right ?? lol
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Old 09-02-2016, 02:14 PM   #38
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Lots of people.

Keep in mind that he's had a long time off and (at least to my understanding) is picking his opponents.

I think we do this thing alot where we romanticize battlers despite reality. After two performances in eight years (with a choke in one), people were looking at Lux as almost non-human... 3 performances in nine years and we saw the vulnerabilities.

Iron did great versus Day, Diz and Magic - but if we take away the excitement of Iron returning after all these years, were these performances as perfect as we say they are?
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His writing has been top notch but his performance hasn't matched the E Ness battle imo
He had a lot more variety and aggression back then and he'd need that especially before a URL crowd
He had some flashes vs Diz and Magic though
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Dude's nice, no doubt. Really crafts three coherent and dope rounds and has every characteristic you'd want a battler and performer to have. It's just a matter of 'deserve'.He probably won't battle someone beneath his prominence and anyone calling him out from beneath him is just being wishful.This little list includes people I think could take him.
Not entirely true. He's gone on record to say that he doesn't want to be one of the bigger names who only takes top tier opponents. So long as the leagues either let him handpick his battles or give him names that he wants, we'll hopefully get some interesting battles.

Anyway, side-note: his mid-round rebuttles are crazy good. He needs to keep doing that.
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