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Old 07-29-2020, 01:44 AM   #41
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Perhaps guest in hip hop and guest in rap are different things. Lord Jamar got headlines for calling Eminem a guest, a label that Eminem embraced. I'm not surprised Nick Cannon would latch on to that too. That whole line of thinking is wack tho
It is wack, esp considered that anyone who reminds a guest that they are "merely a guest" is a terrible host anyway.
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It is wack, esp considered that anyone who reminds a guest that they are "merely a guest" is a terrible host anyway.
This is why Tsu is the best rapper outside of battle rap. Its all street if you dont live the life you wont understand

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It is wack, esp considered that anyone who reminds a guest that they are "merely a guest" is a terrible host anyway.
Yes, it is clearly rude. Truth be told, ostracizing a "guest" will most likely lead to the hosts' marginalization. Ironically, because that same fear is probably the genesis of the whole guest trope.
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All this talk about Detroit has me thinking of most influential cities in Hip-Hop. Do you have a top 5?

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New York
Los Angeles
Philadelphia
Detroit
Atlanta
I prefer to categorize rappers into metro areas than cities. Bay Area/Oakland is a metro area of different NoCal cities, but it's a single separate Hip-Hop location to me. And northern New Jersey belongs to the same metro area as NYC. But in answer to your question If allowed I would replace Atlanta with either northern New Jersey or the Bay Area/Oakland. The other 4 you listed I agree with though.
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Reading this comment made me look for a book on Detroit Hip Hop. Instead I found this doc on Amazon Prime The Untold story of Detroit Hip Hop. Have you seen that?
Detroit's activation of horrocore coincided with Brotha Lynch Hung and X-Raided (both black rappers) from Sacramento doing horrorcore, but they were all so underground that they may have been oblivious to each other at the time, so the conceptions of the subgenre might have occured organically in isolation of each other. Maybe the documentary will answer some of my curiosities.

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I prefer to categorize rappers into metro areas than cities. Bay Area/Oakland is a metro area of different NoCal cities, but it's a single separate Hip-Hop location to me. And northern New Jersey belongs to the same metro area as NYC. But in answer to your question If allowed I would replace Atlanta with either northern New Jersey or the Bay Area/Oakland. The other 4 you listed I agree with though.
@Emancee mentioned the Bay area too. And I can see the strength in listing by Metro area. And as I think about it more it is hard to leave the bay off the list. That being said, if the question was worded slightly different, to imply present influence, would your answer change?
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Detroit's activation of horrocore coincided with Brotha Lynch Hung and X-Raided (both black rappers) from Sacramento doing horrorcore, but they were all so underground that they may have been oblivious to each other at the time, so the conceptions of the subgenre might have occured organically in isolation of each other. Maybe the documentary will answer some of my curiosities.
I wouldn't be surprised if in fact horrorcore inventions were simultaneous.. That wouldn't be the first time.. just ask Newton and Leibniz.

Anyway, I'm curious what you take away from the doc. I watched most of it yesterday which let me to clarify a few things with google searches. In particular, Champtown's Fuck Proof Diss LP. After I searching that, I realized that the Wink character in 8 Mile might be based on him.

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@Emancee mentioned the Bay area too. And I can see the strength in listing by Metro area. And as I think about it more it is hard to leave the bay off the list. That being said, if the question was worded slightly different, to imply present influence, would your answer change?
Present influence would change things. Chicago and Detroit are punching far above their weight recently. Similarly Atlanta is having a dry patch at the moment, but that is not always the case.
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Why is Hip Hop so provincial? Is it just a pride thing? Needs to sort its shit out so people can just rap.
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Present influence would change things. Chicago and Detroit are punching far above their weight recently. Similarly Atlanta is having a dry patch at the moment, but that is not always the case.
Do any international cities make the top 10?
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Do any international cities make the top 10?
London possibly for the influence of reggae/Jamaican riddims on rap. Of course they took it to the next level, but the style was out there (KRS One, for example), so debatable how influential they were outside the UK. The original grime guys are also probably more influential than we realize.

Toronto might be another, hugely influential although probably for the wrong reasons, lol.

Paris is another, but it tends to be only accessible to French people. You don't just have to speak French, but understand a lot of deeply coded language to get most of it.
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London possibly for the influence of reggae/Jamaican riddims on rap. Of course they took it to the next level, but the style was out there (KRS One, for example), so debatable how influential they were outside the UK. The original grime guys are also probably more influential than we realize.

Toronto might be another, hugely influential although probably for the wrong reasons, lol.

Paris is another, but it tends to be only accessible to French people. You don't just have to speak French, but understand a lot of deeply coded language to get most of it.
regarding French rap, it is true that you have to have a high level of proficiency to really get them (a level i certainly do not possess), but I think sonically and in regards to certain themes and rhythms, their influence can extend beyond that. you can hear a lot of influence in some German rappers (such as Haftbefehl or RAF Camora), for example, but also in US and UK rappers.
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Paris is another, but it tends to be only accessible to French people. You don't just have to speak French, but understand a lot of deeply coded language to get most of it.
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Someone writing an ALL CAPS poem in a foreign language is probably aggressive. Maybe you scared the Frenchmen into praising your poems
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You're forgetting that the thing that made Eminem marketable in the first place was because he was a guest in hip hop co signed by Dre. If it were a black dude that released SS lp and MM lp at that time they wouldn't have done much. Being a white rapper is normal at this point because of how gimmicky it was at that time.
It's always interesting to me when i run into someone who is capable of seeing alternate realities so clearly. Like you *know* if a black artist had made the Marshall mathers LP it wouldn't have done much, what are you talking about? At the time nobody wanted to sign Em because label heads didn't think it would work, people were even trying to convince dre not to go ahead with it. But someone some nerd on rmbva knows beyond a shadow of a doubr that it would all work out and thank god eminem wasn't black because it wouldn't have done numbers then. Do yoh see how hopelessly retarded you sound?

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matter of fact, didn't Dre think Em was black after he'd heard his demo and considered signing him? and only found out later he was in fact white?
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Eminem wouldn't have been less successful if he was black imo. Before Eminem you had guys like Everlast, Vanilla Ice, Miilkbone, Kid Rock who were each signed to major labels. Why weren't they as popular as Eminem? Because they weren't as talented as rappers. And after Eminem major labels distributed loads of white rappers, such as Bubba Sparxxx, Limp Bizkit, Crazytown, Flobots, OPM etc, and none had particularly successful or celebrated Hip-Hop careers. They were all gifted the same opportunities as Eminem, why did they fail? Because they weren't as talented as Eminem as rappers. So it's not that advantageous to be a white in Hip-Hop or else all those other guys I mentioned wouldn't have failed to come close to rap royalty.
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Eminem wouldn't have been less successful if he was black imo. Before Eminem you had guys like Everlast, Vanilla Ice, Miilkbone, Kid Rock who were each signed to major labels. Why weren't they as popular as Eminem? Because they weren't as talented as rappers. And after Eminem major labels distributed loads of white rappers, such as Bubba Sparxxx, Limp Bizkit, Crazytown, Flobots, OPM etc, and none had particularly successful or celebrated Hip-Hop careers. They were all gifted the same opportunities as Eminem, why did they fail? Because they weren't as talented as Eminem as rappers. So it's not that advantageous to be a white in Hip-Hop or else all those other guys I mentioned wouldn't have failed to come close to rap royalty.
One telling example is Cage. Cage rapped similar to Eminem, but lacked the demented humor, multis and storytelling. The result? Pretty much only hardcore fans know who Cage is. Eminem was very marketable, but for more reasons than just skin color.
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One telling example is Cage. Cage rapped similar to Eminem, but lacked the demented humor, multis and storytelling. The result? Pretty much only hardcore fans know who Cage is. Eminem was very marketable, but for more reasons than just skin color.
Cage was actually really dope, he was much more talented than all the white rappers I compared Eminem to in my last post. I think Cage was too unorthodox and abstract to cross-over, and like you suggested he lacked Eminem's charisma, rhythmic cadences, high-tempo energetic flows etc.

I also think Eminem's selection of beats were very pop oriented sonically, which contributed to his success. The beats Cage selected were very jarring, distorted and industrial sounding, the opposite of what pop audiences find palatable.
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I also think Eminem's selection of beats were very pop oriented sonically, which contributed to his success. The beats Cage selected were very jarring, distorted and industrial sounding, the opposite of what pop audiences find palatable.
He was also lumped in with the emo crowd during his I Never Knew You phase. Many hiphoppers kinda considered that he had turned his back on hip hop and gone full rockstar emo. I remember having a few conversations where admitting you enjoyed Cage would be followed by yeah, but...

Definitely agree with you about his skills though. Agent Orange and Medicated Minutes showed how incredible his writing could be at times. 'cafe on stage/ so many biters I perform in a shark cage' is definitely one of my favorite multis.
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Cage and his crew, and Outsidahz from Jersey is who Em and D12 wanted to be
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Hmmmm not sure what you mean. Is the Tarzan character a guy that should be black put is played by a white guy to appeal to a mass audience?

I skimmed the wiki entry and it sounded like he was just a white guy that got lost in the jungle. Does that make a difference?

In the video of Cage and his group the first guy that was rapping was black. I actually only watched a minute of that and thought that guys was dope and liked the beat when it kicked in. But I just referred to them as Cage and his group so perhaps that is telling.

Are you disagreeing with those in this thread that are saying that Eminem is only a mega star because he is white? I think there is something to be said about being white being a disadvantage in the rap game, but when the chasm of being above average is crossed.. being white becomes an advantatge in the rap game... I think that is worth discussion

Ultimately, people in general want to see someone that looks similar to them rise to the top. For example, the large # of black people that were thrilled when Obama became president
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Hmmmm not sure what you mean. Is the Tarzan character a guy that should be black put is played by a white guy to appeal to a mass audience?

I skimmed the wiki entry and it sounded like he was just a white guy that got lost in the jungle. Does that make a difference?

In the video of Cage and his group the first guy that was rapping was black. I actually only watched a minute of that and thought that guys was dope and liked the beat when it kicked in. But I just referred to them as Cage and his group so perhaps that is telling.

Are you disagreeing with those in this thread that are saying that Eminem is only a mega star because he is white? I think there is something to be said about being white being a disadvantage in the rap game, but when the chasm of being above average is crossed.. being white becomes an advantatge in the rap game... I think that is worth discussion

Ultimately, people in general want to see someone that looks similar to them rise to the top. For example, the large # of black people that were thrilled when Obama became president
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Cage and weathermen were NYC favorite battlers/freestylers. Detroit was on their (pause) Em completely stole his style and had D12/Royce and them niggaz on that psychotic/suicidal/drug addicted rap style. A Jew like Em stealing? Not possible right? right?
Cage would have been Em - If Em didn't have Rosenberg (manager)
do your research - Cage was bigger than him even after the Rap Olympics
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Are you out your cotton-picking mind?
I knew that nigga was Gay-First before he would help niggaz.
Not a Biden/Obama/Hillary fan at all
On my last month of EBT
Cmon Orange Man, Fuck that bunker

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Cage and weathermen were NYC favorite battlers/freestylers. Detroit was on their (pause) Em completely stole his style and had D12/Royce and them niggaz on that psychotic/suicidal/drug addicted rap style. A Jew like Em stealing? Not possible right? right?
Cage would have been Em - If Em didn't have Rosenberg (manager)
do your research - Cage was bigger than him even after the Rap Olympics
The whole Slim Shady EP is an attempt to rap like Cage/Weathermen
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Are you out your cotton-picking mind?
I knew that nigga was Gay-First before he would help niggaz.
Not a Biden/Obama/Hillary fan at all
On my last month of EBT
Cmon Orange Man, Fuck that bunker

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Cage and weathermen were NYC favorite battlers/freestylers. Detroit was on their (pause) Em completely stole his style and had D12/Royce and them niggaz on that psychotic/suicidal/drug addicted rap style. A Jew like Em stealing? Not possible right? right?
Cage would have been Em - If Em didn't have Rosenberg (manager)
do your research - Cage was bigger than him even after the Rap Olympics
Hahaha.. I know to you're not a Democrat.. I also know that you know a lot of black people were happy with Obama being elected just because of who he was.

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About Eminem/ Cage.. I didn't start listening to Eminem until the slim shady album.. I got into his back ground when the Marshal Mathers album came out. So I knew who Cage was because they threw jabs at each other. But at that time Em was clearly a bigger star. I also liked Cage thought the Smut Peddlers put out a great album. But to be honest.. when those guys were coming up I wasn't tuned into underground music. But yeah, I went back and listened to Em's pre slim shady album and freestyles.. I'm pretty sure every battle rap fan of a certain age did that. Anyway, it's good that you point out that Cage was the bigger name when they were coming up.. I've heard that but it's not something I've looked into super deep. Did Cage collaborate with Necro.. if I recall correctly, people were playing Necro tracks for shock value.. and Eminem was more of a pop star that had technical abilities. But 8 Mile came out not too long after Eminem's rise to the top.. and that movie really took over the narrative
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Hahaha.. I know to you're not a Democrat.. I also know that you know a lot of black people were happy with Obama being elected just because of who he was.

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About Eminem/ Cage.. I didn't start listening to Eminem until the slim shady album.. I got into his back ground when the Marshal Mathers album came out. So I knew who Cage was because they threw jabs at each other. But at that time Em was clearly a bigger star. I also liked Cage thought the Smut Peddlers put out a great album. But to be honest.. when those guys were coming up I wasn't tuned into underground music. But yeah, I went back and listened to Em's pre slim shady album and freestyles.. I'm pretty sure every battle rap fan of a certain age did that. Anyway, it's good that you point out that Cage was the bigger name when they were coming up.. I've heard that but it's not something I've looked into super deep. Did Cage collaborate with Necro.. if I recall correctly, people were playing Necro tracks for shock value.. and Eminem was more of a pop star that had technical abilities. But 8 Mile came out not too long after Eminem's rise to the top.. and that movie really took over the narrative
Necro, Bill, Cage? Cmon it was a whole white struggle for them to "Mobb Deep" it and white wash it. I guess (Everlast) by the way my niggga! Failed white people. Too Irish. Gotta get more Ashkenazi and Kosher. Em was perfect timing. I am on child support also. I hate my "baby moms" I am a drug addict. But wait, I am white also? Niggaz fall for the carrot and donkey trick all the time. smh
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Actually, the smear against Vanilla Ice where his managers put out the fake story about his background and he got clowned by Arsenio Hall. So before that white rappers hadn't been in the spotlight. After that they were a complete joke.. So the point I'm making is that Em had street cred based on his Dr Dre co-sign. I think that is what made Eminem a star and white people loved him and had proof he wasn't a cornball because the guy who made The Chronic fucked with him
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Necro, Bill, Cage? Cmon it was a whole white struggle for them to "Mobb Deep" it and white wash it. I guess (Everlast) by the way my niggga! Failed white people. Too Irish. Gotta get more Ashkenazi and Kosher. Em was perfect timing. I am on child support also. I hate my "baby moms" I am a drug addict. But wait, I am white also? Niggaz fall for the carrot and donkey trick all the time. smh
I still listen to a hand full of House of Pain tracks on a regular basis.. their beats are fire.. ... Would you agree whites tried to claim Cypress Hill?
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Actually, the smear against Vanilla Ice where his managers put out the fake story about his background and he got clowned by Arsenio Hall. So before that white rappers hadn't been in the spotlight. After that they were a complete joke.. So the point I'm making is that Em had street cred based on his Dr Dre co-sign. I think that is what made Eminem a star and white people loved him and had proof he wasn't a cornball because the guy who made The Chronic fucked with him
See where are you going with this....
Proof (goon/BMF/streets) mixed with Industry (Dre) could be something.
But this is about rap. I only attack Em for flow stealing. Think of Pac's (young black male song) on 2pacalypse. He clearly admitted he ripped off Spice 1's one's flow (a nigga gots no heart) Where is Shady's humility? He clearly is a rip off of the people he surrounded himself with. Will they ever get acknowledged?
There was nothing really special about his flow. All battle rappers (especially Mid-West) were known to rap words fast that didn't rhyme. Em's cadence and subject matter was all stolen mixed with a midwest flow. Not hating whitey. Kanye raps likes consequence but uses his accent to combine words. These people are not that great!
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Necro, Bill, Cage? Cmon it was a whole white struggle for them to "Mobb Deep" it and white wash it. I guess (Everlast) by the way my niggga! Failed white people. Too Irish. Gotta get more Ashkenazi and Kosher. Em was perfect timing. I am on child support also. I hate my "baby moms" I am a drug addict. But wait, I am white also? Niggaz fall for the carrot and donkey trick all the time. smh
Don't forget MC Search. Remember that show in like 2007 called the White rapper that he hosted? And his pop goes the weasel single from the 90's... The theme of that song was clowning Vanilla Ice.. Third Base had good beats but Search also struck me as someone trying too hard... That latent opinion was really reinforced when the white rapper show came out
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Cage was an original.
He kinda started rapping about killing people multi-syllabical
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Don't forget MC Search. Remember that show in like 2007 called the White rapper that he hosted? And his pop goes the weasel single from the 90's... The theme of that song was clowning Vanilla Ice.. Third Base had good beats but Search also struck me as someone trying too hard... That latent opinion was really reinforced when the white rapper show came out
More Jewish rappers?
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