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Old 11-13-2015, 04:18 PM   #1
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Who is the single best battle rapper of all time?

Do a small write up and make your case. Here's mine for Hollow (Have hollow, the saurus and Aye Verb top 3)


Hollow Da Don is clearly the number one battle rapper of all time.

- Jump Off WRCs.

- 106 Champ

- Killed the competition in Fight Klub - beating 10 opponents before losing to Arsonal. However, Hollow's opponent was changed last minute giving him a serious disadvantage.

- Out of 15 acapella written battles, only two losses (Verb and Arsonal)

- Beat Pass and Okwedz on the West Coast.

- On camera battles in six different cities, soon to be seven - LA, Houston, Oakland, Orlando, NYC, STL, (and soon to be London).

- Trendsetter - Prior to Hollow, rebuttals were not commonplace among east coast street style battlers.

- Well Rounded - I can't think of an area in which Hollow lacks.

- NEVER came unprepared or wack.

- Respected among every battle rap scene.
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Hollow got the barz
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Old 11-13-2015, 04:46 PM   #4
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Just to add to OP's list

- Battled an industry artist (Joe Budden)

- Made it on popular TV networks (BET, Adult Swim)

- Never choked or stumbled (Dolphin with a tortoise skin >>>>)

- Appeals to all fans no matter what kind of style they like (Street, backpack)

- Often regarded as #1 in the world from fans, industry artists, & his peers



Yep this is a open and shut discussion
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Yeah what is different about hollow is that he is regarded as the best or one of the best by pretty much every demographic.

For example, really new fans may say Clips is the best or one of the best. Among really dedicated battle rap fans that isn't always consensus though.

However, if you asked each group about hollow they would call him one of the best pretty much with consensus.
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definitely didn't beat pass, but yeah, hollow is up there. only issue i have is a lot of his lines don't stand the test of time and are downright terrible.
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Hollow it is
I'd argue both Thesaurus and Illmac for 2nd place
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Old 11-13-2015, 06:11 PM   #8
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i would say hollow until i heard his music, damn he cant ride a beat for shit, his shittiness at rapping on beat have influenced my like for him in battles now, like i watch his battles now and cant believe hes was once my favorite, hes not even top 15 to me anymore
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i would say hollow until i heard his music, damn he cant ride a beat for shit, his shittiness at rapping on beat have influenced my like for him in battles now, like i watch his battles now and cant believe hes was once my favorite, hes not even top 15 to me anymore
guess you didnt read the title where it says "best battle rapper" not "best on a track" or "best at riding a beat" or have you missed the fact that battles have been acapella for years?
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Old 11-13-2015, 06:16 PM   #10
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i would say Bmagic

-have the biggest stan that no else in battle rap have

- best slogan

- best flow

- best punches

-have no haters

- no clear losses even when he chokes again heartlesss

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-people will watch every one of his battle no matter the oponent


only weakness is he shops at crips r us
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definitely didn't beat pass, but yeah, hollow is up there. only issue i have is a lot of his lines don't stand the test of time and are downright terrible.
I watched his battle with Okwerdz the other day and I wondered the same thing: How would todays crowd react to his "He's just OK with the WORDS" type of bars.

Other than that I agree, Hollow is the definitive answer to this debate. Are there anywhere you can see who he (and everyone else for that matter) battled on Fight Klub?
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Old 11-13-2015, 06:20 PM   #12
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that line was really bad even back then. some of his shit against pass is really bad as well. like, cringe bad. and a lot of his shit vs illmac i didn't think was great at the time and is even worse now (on both sides). plus grizzle was literally the worst crowd ever

his shit against verb is great. and i think he's awesome because he's been doing it forever, has been doing his own style the whole time, and rocked on various platforms.
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guess you didnt read the title where it says "best battle rapper" not "best on a track" or "best at riding a beat" or have you missed the fact that battles have been acapella for years?
but u cant be the best at battle rap if ur flow is so awful, i used to overlook it caus he had the charisma, but i can see the past the charisma now in his battles and see that hes not fire like i once thought he was, it's just a major flaw i cant overlook anymore, i used to get so excited for a hollow battle, but now im not excited, the best battle rapper have to give people excitement
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Old 11-13-2015, 06:52 PM   #14
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Luke you can push your hollow agenda all you want but there isn't a #1 great.

He didn't conclusively beat lux and TBH he didn't conclusively beat clips either. He has more of a case vs clips tho but that battle didn't really live up to expectations
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Wait, how do you know hollows single tho?
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Old 11-13-2015, 07:03 PM   #16
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welp, apparently there are fans bitter enough to think ok with the words isn't a good line
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Old 11-13-2015, 07:07 PM   #17
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I would agree with Hallow but he lost to joe buddens which is pretty much unforgivable
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Hollow or Saurus.

But as has been mentioned, Hollow gets goat mentions from every demographic, so that gives him an advantage.


Crediting Hollow with rebuttals is fucking retarded though...Even for on the east coast that is retarded. Its not something you can give credit to someone for starting...makes no sense.

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welp, apparently there are fans bitter enough to think ok with the words isn't a good line
Real talk, the very first time I ever saw Okwerdz name that was what popped into my head(Not that constructed but the entire idea) and I don't even rap. And I was probably fucked up at the time, that always took away from the line for me.
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pretty good case from OP tbh, can't argue
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Hollow beat pass??

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Hollow became the greatest the second he battled a seagull on Adult Swim, even though the seagull bodied him.
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but what about when Philly Swain told him he would hollow his mom

I mean...can anyone truly recover from that?
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thesaurus & illmac can never be in contention for the GOAT.. saying some dumb shit like that is completely ignoring a whole demographic of battle rap fans smh

u can say theyre the goat nerd battle rappers.. but thats it

dizaster >>>>>>>> saurus & illmac as far as overall rankings in battle rap go

hollow is the only answer
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hollow or saurus no debating. b magic definitely up there for flow and originality though. clips is absolute garbage and illmac is not my cup of tea. foh for even mentioning clips though.
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welp, apparently there are fans bitter enough to think ok with the words isn't a good line
that line is really bad and is a great case of "street/smack/url guy gets away with basic and really corny line" that other people would get booed for.
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that line is really bad and is a great case of "street/smack/url guy gets away with basic and really corny line" that other people would get booed for.
serious question, how is it any different than saying "i took out an entireeeeee arsonal, so what the fuuuuuuck could a hollow do"?
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welp, apparently there are fans bitter enough to think ok with the words isn't a good line
They're idiots
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@irvsykeg @SuckaFreeCashier @Wolfpac187 times were way different. Tons of shit that was said back in the day would be HORRIBLE today... most battles don't age well.

For example, I just randomly went to a random part in Con/Arsonal right now. Con says "If you such a cash addict why did you lose to a rich dollar?"

... and people are like ooooooooooooooooooooo mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

There is SOME shit that is always wack ("she gave my ghost face like wutang" - Clips) but some of this stuff just ages.
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but what about when Philly Swain told him he would hollow his mom

I mean...can anyone truly recover from that?
i was legit gonna say philly swain but didnt wanna type up bullet points
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Hollow became the greatest the second he battled a seagull on Adult Swim, even though the seagull bodied him.
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(also, he didn't beat Pass)
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but what about when Philly Swain told him he would hollow his mom

I mean...can anyone truly recover from that?
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@irvsykeg @SuckaFreeCashier @Wolfpac187 times were way different. Tons of shit that was said back in the day would be HORRIBLE today... most battles don't age well.

For example, I just randomly went to a random part in Con/Arsonal right now. Con says "If you such a cash addict why did you lose to a rich dollar?"

... and people are like ooooooooooooooooooooo mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

There is SOME shit that is always wack ("she gave my ghost face like wutang" - Clips) but some of this stuff just ages.
tons of conceiteds shit was horrible back then too. i did like "cash addict? yall more like allergic to it"

but in the GOAT talks, gotta take aging into consideration
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@JustJ123 - Who was doing rebuttals on Smack/URL before Hollow?
How is that relevant? Do you honestly think the next person to do rebuttals after Hollow was thinking "Hollow does this, I should do it" they heard something they knew they could refute and made it into a bar.

I guarantee you Hollow was not a thought in their mind.

And why should it be limited to Smack/URL? So it doesn't count if people rebuttal in a freestyle? Even though its literally the same concept? Serious Jones for example did them in that era of battling. There was rebuttals in Blaze Battles....

While he's not from NY, he did do most of his battling there so what about Jin? Who basically won Freestyle Friday due to rebuttals.

People rebuttal because they can not cause someone inspired them to start doing it. Its not something you credit to someone as starting, you credit them for doing it well(And Hollow does it better than pretty much anyone, which shoulda been your point)


I'm also fairly certain Solomon had a rebuttal against Math, and probably others before that.
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@irvsykeg @SuckaFreeCashier @Wolfpac187 times were way different. Tons of shit that was said back in the day would be HORRIBLE today... most battles don't age well.

For example, I just randomly went to a random part in Con/Arsonal right now. Con says "If you such a cash addict why did you lose to a rich dollar?"

... and people are like ooooooooooooooooooooo mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

There is SOME shit that is always wack ("she gave my ghost face like wutang" - Clips) but some of this stuff just ages.
but i don't even think ok with the words would be a bad bar now so long as nobody had said it before

it's simple af but incredibly direct and works
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Old 11-13-2015, 11:59 PM   #39
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Old 11-14-2015, 02:20 AM   #40
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How is that relevant? Do you honestly think the next person to do rebuttals after Hollow was thinking "Hollow does this, I should do it" they heard something they knew they could refute and made it into a bar.

I guarantee you Hollow was not a thought in their mind.

And why should it be limited to Smack/URL? So it doesn't count if people rebuttal in a freestyle? Even though its literally the same concept? Serious Jones for example did them in that era of battling. There was rebuttals in Blaze Battles....

While he's not from NY, he did do most of his battling there so what about Jin? Who basically won Freestyle Friday due to rebuttals.

People rebuttal because they can not cause someone inspired them to start doing it. Its not something you credit to someone as starting, you credit them for doing it well(And Hollow does it better than pretty much anyone, which shoulda been your point)


I'm also fairly certain Solomon had a rebuttal against Math, and probably others before that.

Luke trying to push that hollow agenda. He don't give a fuck how bias and ridiculous he look in the process
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