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Real Deal 7 77.78%
Chilla Jones 1 11.11%
Bigg K 2 22.22%
Geechi Gotti 5 55.56%
Rum Nitty 5 55.56%
Charron 3 33.33%
Illmac 8 88.89%
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Old 08-18-2019, 01:19 AM   #41
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Real Deal getting swept tbh; hes in need of Lux third (kinda doin it tho talkin bout his sick dad now)
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Old 08-18-2019, 01:24 AM   #42
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Real Deal getting swept tbh; hes in need of Lux third (kinda doin it tho talkin bout his sick dad now)
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Round 3

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I know your city like the back of my hand- now I’m gonna put the landscape across this mans face. Fire. RD says he’ll battle Charron- his classes are all inclusive- autistic kids can get lessons too. Crowd goes wild. RD talks about father. Crowd rocking with him. RD gives props to crowd. I want him to win. Call back to earlier Suns diss. Says schemes can’t hurt him.

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Hopefully Chilla is half way done. Nothing memorable to me. But my mind could already be made up. The sweeper in Cambridge- I’m Will Hunting-- hot line. Chilla asked to give him 5-- thought RD wouldnt0 but he did-- then Chillas leave em hanging like N^ggas fell flat. Not terrible-- Chef Trez, 3 of them thangs ref kinda cool. Ends with Teacher diss. Claims this is one of the best title matches hmmm ?! Oh shit, leaves RD hanging on the hand slap. Then makes hanging white people joke.

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Old 08-18-2019, 01:31 AM   #44
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Old 08-18-2019, 01:33 AM   #45
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great effort by RD and great 3rd; it was Chilla 21 (at least) tho
I'll be shocked if they give it to RD even wit the history of robberies

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Old 08-18-2019, 01:41 AM   #46
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great effort by RD and great 3rd; it was Chilla 21 (at least) tho
I'll be shocked if they give it to RD even wit the history of robberies
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def aint mad; I love RD's shit

I see a lotta ppl was sayin they had RD so Ill def be rewatching
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Anyone but Chilla as champ is all good with me. Genuinely find Chilla one of the worst so-called top tiers.
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illmac HATES chilla... knew he would vote RD

KOTD has really fell off. the pass's and illmacs of the world always give good performances and the smack guys who come over never really try

i hate to say it but KOTD NEEDS diz. he is their star
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illmac HATES chilla... knew he would vote RD

KOTD has really fell off. the pass's and illmacs of the world always give good performances and the smack guys who come over never really try

i hate to say it but KOTD NEEDS diz. he is their star
and who are the smack guys on this card? just ill will right? he was good vs pass and bigg k.
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and who are the smack guys on this card? just ill will right? he was good vs pass and bigg k.
im talking more generally. typically when the smack guys come over to KOTD, they dont try. i feel that this is known and has hurt KOTD's brand... as if KOTD is the minor leagues
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im talking more generally. typically when the smack guys come over to KOTD, they dont try. i feel that this is known and has hurt KOTD's brand... as if KOTD is the minor leagues
Definitely back in the days. I remember when Clips was the man, but his indifference to his battle in KOTD definitely damaged that League.
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KOTD has really fell off. the pass's and illmacs of the world always give good performances and the smack guys who come over never really try

i hate to say it but KOTD NEEDS diz. he is their star
Haven't Diz and KOTD mended the fence so to speak? It seems like Diz battles less. And I've heard Diz speak on putting on mini events w/o Major league backing. All that said, kotd would benefit from having Diz on their next major card-- Daylyt too-- if he is still active.
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and who are the smack guys on this card? just ill will right? he was good vs pass and bigg k.
Good question. I suppose Nitty and Geechi could be considered smack guys. But they are also west coast and for their starts on kotd. That said, they both did good. Perhaps E Ness could could be considered a smack guy, but I think that's a reach.

Smack guys would be: briz, t top, Chess... Ect. Probably to be a smack guy means being under contract with that brand. But that logic breaks down bc in said case the contract would prevent the battlers from even being kotd.

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Definitely back in the days. I remember when Clips was the man, but his indifference to his battle in KOTD definitely damaged that League.
I almost rewatached clips v con the other day. Do you recall if he showed up for the that?

My memory is shaky on this but I want to say he didn't d well vs Daylyt
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But shouts to Real Deal. Maybe he will leverage his new clout and get Fresco back it the game.

Fresco/ RD vs NWX?
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Who does rmbva have for battle of the night? I'm going with E Ness vs Pass

Who does rmbva have for performance of the night? Its close between Geechi and Illmac..if I get to rewatch later then I'l say. What do ya'll think?
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bigg k finally came decent but his style just is grind time wrestling bars and yelling these days

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But shouts to Real Deal. Maybe he will leverage his new clout and get Fresco back it the game.

Fresco/ RD vs NWX?
Previously I would have said you're dreaming, but recently it does seem like Fresco is looking for a fun battle. Then again after he got robbed horribly repeatedly on KOTD he might not want to do another two-on-two.
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Previously I would have said you're dreaming, but recently it does seem like Fresco is looking for a fun battle. Then again after he got robbed horribly repeatedly on KOTD he might not want to do another two-on-two.
Lol at thinking fresco or anyone cares about that. This isnít 2011 grind time
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I almost rewatached clips v con the other day. Do you recall if he showed up for the that?

My memory is shaky on this but I want to say he didn't d well vs Daylyt
Clips did enough vs Hollohan and Dirtbag Dan, his battle with Conceited was a bit overly friendly but Con had the same thing with Hitman on URL. Clips definitely showed up vs Daylyt effort-wise.

Then he murdered Rex and I don't think he's been good on KOTD since.
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Previously I would have said you're dreaming, but recently it does seem like Fresco is looking for a fun battle. Then again after he got robbed horribly repeatedly on KOTD he might not want to do another two-on-two.
Sounds crazy, right, part of the reason I say it is bc Fresco is in the trailer for RD/ chilla
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im talking more generally. typically when the smack guys come over to KOTD, they dont try. i feel that this is known and has hurt KOTD's brand... as if KOTD is the minor leagues
I swear that mentally gets pushed but not based on actually factual battle. People bring up the Clips battle. But act like Clips has tried in every URL battle. Aint that around the times he was freestlying allot of rounds

How many examples do we have a URL rappers half assing on KOTD and how many more examples do we have of them coming over and doing great. And remember not doing well or losing doesn't automatically equal half assing
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How many examples do we have a URL rappers half assing on KOTD and how many more examples do we have of them coming over and doing great. And remember not doing well or losing doesn't automatically equal half assing
Really awful performances:
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Battle rap movie protagonist white. Spoken like a teacher. RD going the pause worthy route. @RickyProehl you might like RDís 2nd fam lolÖ I swear I aint trolling/ youíre materail ages like Mary Kate Olsen.. That shit was fire. Real Deal hating on another mans perks. He better not be mad if people think his perks aren't fair.. WtfÖ hypocrite?! Loser mentality angle.

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I swear that mentally gets pushed but not based on actually factual battle. People bring up the Clips battle. But act like Clips has tried in every URL battle. Aint that around the times he was freestlying allot of rounds

How many examples do we have a URL rappers half assing on KOTD and how many more examples do we have of them coming over and doing great. And remember not doing well or losing doesn't automatically equal half assing
This is the answer.
In fact, I got triggered back when this post was first going and wrote a whole screen breakdown and then I smoked and decided I didn't want to derail the thread but the gist was THIS IS NOT A THING ANYMORE and its arguable if it ever was.

I mean
  • Ars, Tez, Big T, Gjonaj, Xcel, Bmagic, Verb, Clips, DNA, Chilla and Math became KOTD roster basically so obviously KOTD doesn't feel this way about them
  • Danny, Nitty, and Geechi started over there
  • Rich Dolarz was great
  • Ill Will has been great
  • Hitman was Hitman
  • ORed had a banger against Nitty
  • Yung Ill was straight; it was Fresco that made that battle weird (accidentally but...)
  • Calicoe was ehh but was drunk; had nothing to do wit it being KOTD
  • Con was Con each time
  • JC had one bad performance vs 100 bullets; he was good vs JPro and Caustic, killed Psychosis -nope
  • ETC...

So it boils down to:
  • Clips being inconsistent on ALL platforms, plus has waaay more decent battles since then than he does bad ones: he arguably beat Solomon and has a nearly 3M view battle wit Daylyt that he won, so hes off the list
  • Verbs battles vs Illmac and Caustic were bad but Caustic was a replacement for Shotty Horrah and vs Illmac he had the Tokyo Drift shit which is fire and he wasnt bout to beat Illmac nohow----other than that hes had great battles wit Saurus, Diz, Bdot, and Charron since then and arguable won them all; hes off the list
  • There is Suge who also did not discriminate with what platform he phoned it in on: said he didn't care on stage vs Biig K on Vlad's lil event and vs Bill Collector on the URL stage. AND really wasn't too bad vs Tycoon Tax and vs Shotti P, him and Suge both choked in their battle so I really don't think the theory holds up here either

So that leaves..no one; this is not a thing

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@Neanderthol your points makes sense above. As I was reading your points above I was waiting for you to mention Tay Roc and Twerk.. keep in funky, does the label stick to them?
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So that leaves..no one; this is not a thing
Solid post, but I think you are arguing something different to what the rest of us are arguing. While it isn't such a big thing NOW, it certainly used to be.

As well as the bad performances (IMO the fact that now KOTD has more money and people try more now doesn't forgive meh performances in the past), your post forgets the countless cancellations, with literally half the freaking card being cancelled on a few occasions.

In addition Clips' bad performance was because, and he made this clear, he had bigger battles on Smack, so didn't consider KOTD worth trying for (then again his opponent was Charron, so can't fully blame him).

Basically if you have sympathy for Premier Battles and their current fuckery, it wasn't that long ago these kind of no-shows were the norm on KOTD too
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pretty sure illmac voted chilla tho

plus pass choked and pulled out his phone.

Ill Will (one of those "smack guys") also did great.

Rum Nitty (one of those "smack guys") beat charron.

this post is all types of wrong lol.

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KOTD has really fell off. the pass's and illmacs of the world always give good performances and the smack guys who come over never really try

i hate to say it but KOTD NEEDS diz. he is their star
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@Neanderthol your points makes sense above. As I was reading your points above I was waiting for you to mention Tay Roc and Twerk.. keep in funky, does the label stick to them?
I'm confused; as far as I know Tay Roc and NJT have not been on KOTD

if you are referring to the UK shit they've done recently, I def don't cosign the fuckery


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Solid post, but I think you are arguing something different to what the rest of us are arguing. While it isn't such a big thing NOW, it certainly used to be.

As well as the bad performances (IMO the fact that now KOTD has more money and people try more now doesn't forgive meh performances in the past), your post forgets the countless cancellations, with literally half the freaking card being cancelled on a few occasions.

In addition Clips' bad performance was because, and he made this clear, he had bigger battles on Smack, so didn't consider KOTD worth trying for (then again his opponent was Charron, so can't fully blame him).

Basically if you have sympathy for Premier Battles and their current fuckery, it wasn't that long ago these kind of no-shows were the norm on KOTD too
As far as Premier goes that shit is wack asf for sure

I didn't mention cancellations because that is a different topic in my opinion but for the record I detest that shit so if those are to be put on the list, I would have to see how the exact names of who cancelled and why coincide with the individuals in question.

My main point doesn't mean to excuse or downplay past bad performances.

I'm trying to point out that in most cases these things are more aligned with the battler's behavior patterns at the time of the shit performance than it does any specific malice or under-appreciation for KOTD the platform.
(Did battler X actually "not care cuz it was KOTD" or is that just what they were on everywhere at the time)

I mean theres no way I can be convinced that JC ever "went light" on purpose; he simply lost..bad is all.

You make a good point wit Clips and the Charron thing, he is dumb for saying that.

If we are using my actions speak louder/ behavior patterns viewpoint though, later he battled fucking Hollow and lowkey died,then came to KOTD the next day and wil'ed on Iron Solomon. (and I fuckin hate Clips)

It bothers me that people still push this narrative when the mass majority of the URL battler performances are legit good, and the main ones that aren't are individual performances from battlers that have done many battles with KOTD and in nearly every case the good battles outnumber the bad ones.

I enjoy the debate but truth be told we have crucified Smack battlers because of a total of 5 battles from 2014
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I feel like this is missing the original context.

There were multiple performances which might not seem that bad now but at the time they weren't up to the battler's usual standards e.g Math vs Pat, Big T vs Bender , Verb vs Diz, Caustic & Illmac etc. Since then we have seen these guys have tons of mediocre performances so it doesn't stick out as much.

I feel like the early URL battlers just didn't think it was as essential for them to have a great performance in the same way that they would if the battle was on URL - It wasn't lowering their stock if they lost on KOTD. This meant they could take it more casual, try different things, just generally they weren't approaching it the same way for whatever reason.

I don't think the narrative was originally an attempt to crucify Smack battlers, this narrative was mostly pushed by the fans of URL battlers when they lost and sometimes the battlers themselves (Goodz vs Rone), mostly in response to KOTD fanboys taking these weak performances as proof that URL battlers were trash.

Verb is probably the main reason behind this and at the time it seemed like proof he wasn't taking KOTD seriously when he did the Goodz battle on URL and arguably won. That was right at the time when everyone was saying he had fallen off because of the KOTD performances.

I think you're right though, at this point it is a fairly unjustified but pervasive idea about URL battlers. These things tend to stick longer than they should and like I said in the PB thread, sections of KOTD & UK fans make a lot of negative generalisations about URL battlers.
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There were multiple performances which might not seem that bad now but at the time they weren't up to the battler's usual standards e.g Math vs Pat, Big T vs Bender , Verb vs Diz, Caustic & Illmac etc. Since then we have seen these guys have tons of mediocre performances so it doesn't stick out as much.

I feel like the early URL battlers just didn't think it was as essential for them to have a great performance in the same way that they would if the battle was on URL - It wasn't lowering their stock if they lost on KOTD. This meant they could take it more casual, try different things, just generally they weren't approaching it the same way for whatever reason.

I don't think the narrative was originally an attempt to crucify Smack battlers, this narrative was mostly pushed by the fans of URL battlers when they lost and sometimes the battlers themselves (Goodz vs Rone), mostly in response to KOTD fanboys taking these weak performances as proof that URL battlers were trash.

Verb is probably the main reason behind this and at the time it seemed like proof he wasn't taking KOTD seriously when he did the Goodz battle on URL and arguably won. That was right at the time when everyone was saying he had fallen off because of the KOTD performances.

I think you're right though, at this point it is a fairly unjustified but pervasive idea about URL battlers. These things tend to stick longer than they should and like I said in the PB thread, sections of KOTD & UK fans make a lot of negative generalisations about URL battlers.
Great post; very good points
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