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Old 06-12-2016, 04:18 PM   #1
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So when world tragedies erupt.....

......like a mass shooting, bombing, natural disaster, etc and many die or are hurt, i always notice crowds react to it at live venues. Likely becuz its an easy topic to use to get the rise out of crowds.

How do the forum posters react to it? Just curious what u all think or if u don't care much.
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Old 06-12-2016, 04:30 PM   #2
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The dood didn't like gay people. It aint a terrorist attack the dood doesn't like to see men kissing.


But big bad America will always blame some shit on terrorists.
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The dood didn't like gay people. It aint a terrorist attack the dood doesn't like to see men kissing.


But big bad America will always blame some shit on terrorists.
this is textbook domestic terrorism and terrorist doesn't mean Muslim jihadist
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The dood didn't like gay people. It aint a terrorist attack the dood doesn't like to see men kissing.


But big bad America will always blame some shit on terrorists.
this is some really idiotic shit for you to say. shut the fuck up
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How do the forum posters react to it? Just curious what u all think or if u don't care much.
Usually something like this "You see that shit in Orlando?...Insane...people are fuckin crazy man..." depending on where shit happens I'll run through the mental rolodex and make sure I don't know anyone in the area of the tragedy...then I try to keep it moving. Its energy wasted to try to make sense of shit like this. I may read up on the person who committed the act, or check out a link or two that details what happened/who was involved, then I'm done with it. I think the masses are probably starting to get numb to this type of stuff. Fuckin scary that it happens almost on a weekly basis now.

I don't want to get too deep on this, but the "information age" has definitely fucked up the way my brain is wired...like, I have compassion, but right now I'm more interested in how the fuck they misreported this shit so drastically. The first headline I saw, said "20 dead, 40 injured", at like 9am EST, for example...that type of shit, makes me want to know exactly what went down, that could lead to that type of error. Making sense of the matter, or considering ways to prevent this type of shit from happening in the future is not a worthwhile endeavor. It's sad, but this shit will continue to happen, and the tragedies will get crazier and crazier as the population continues to grow...imho.
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......like a mass shooting, bombing, natural disaster, etc and many die or are hurt, i always notice crowds react to it at live venues. Likely becuz its an easy topic to use to get the rise out of crowds.

How do the forum posters react to it? Just curious what u all think or if u don't care much.
Well 50 people or more just got killed at a gay nightclub in Miami Florida by a man who looked just like Dizaster. I'm shocked. I was told the man saw two men kissing in his local area and snapped and used an M16 assault rifle and a pistol on a bunch or gay men and women. This shit has got stop. If guns never existed it be hard for people to kill people faster but then people would just find more different ways to kill people. The world will never solve this problem.
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i'm not talkin about Orlando. Certainly it made me think of the topic all morning. But y do u think battlers feel a need to bring recent horrors into battles so quickly and easily, and how do u feel about said-tactic as apart of the entertainment?
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Literally the worst place to ask this lol I don't like talking about this kind of shit on the internet because ppl will say dumb shit for no reason.

My first reaction is always damn there's so many crazy ppl in this world my next thought is how it takes something like this for ppl to care... There are kids killin kids in our cities everyday and nobody says shit about it

Then my final though is just damn I feel bad for those families and ppl it happened to thank god it wasn't somebody I know tho
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i'm not talkin about Orlando. Certainly it made me think of the topic all morning. But y do u think battlers feel a need to bring recent horrors into battles so quickly and easily, and how do u feel about said-tactic as apart of the entertainment?
It's really cheap. Shock value that everybody can relate to, that's really all it is
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i'm not talkin about Orlando. Certainly it made me think of the topic all morning. But y do u think battlers feel a need to bring recent horrors into battles so quickly and easily, and how do u feel about said-tactic as apart of the entertainment?
It's lame and not creative I hate current event bars period (d.n.a is a trash God hall of famer b/c of this) but I agree I hate when they speak on shit that doesn't have to do with the battle
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You can feel a certain way about it, but it is a powerful tool to get people to listen to you. In battle rap there is always that seeking, pushing and crossing of boundaries
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i'm not talkin about Orlando. Certainly it made me think of the topic all morning. But y do u think battlers feel a need to bring recent horrors into battles so quickly and easily, and how do u feel about said-tactic as apart of the entertainment?
It's not a tragic event thing, it's a current events thing. It makes perfect sense, battlers constantly thinking of bars/shit to make into bars and current events, especially terrorist attack, are shit that literally everybody should know about and will understand. I find most bars about recent news pretty boring/lazy and usually every battler thinks of the same shit but I don't find it offensive if that's what you mean.
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It's really cheap. Shock value that everybody can relate to, that's really all it is
I can understand why you think it would be cheap, but on the flip side it's a very newsworthy and relevant story. I think there is a tactful way of doing it besides saying "I'm gonna kill you, faggot, like what happened in Orlando" or something like that. Now that would be stupid. Stuff like this is inevitably going to be discussed tho I think.
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I can understand why you think it would be cheap, but on the flip side it's a very newsworthy and relevant story. I think there is a tactful way of doing it besides saying "I'm gonna kill you, faggot, like what happened in Orlando" or something like that. Now that would be stupid. Stuff like this is inevitably going to be discussed tho I think.
What's an example of a line like this that was done well?
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What's an example of a line like this that was done well?
Conceited vs Magic, 2 plane in the building. No denying that was fire lol.
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But y do u think battlers feel a need to bring recent horrors into battles so quickly and easily, and how do u feel about said-tactic as apart of the entertainment?
It's easy reaction cause the event is still fresh in peoples minds. It depends how it's done, if it's a clever line it's all good but if you're trying trying to string anything together to get to that punch then it's wack cuz it's comes off as desperate, petty or uncreative or all of the above imo. for example, Benders "dug out a minor" scheme was crazy and relevant at the time but at BO6 there were quite a few bars about the water issue in Michigan and most of them were wack or predictable.
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Conceited vs Magic, 2 plane in the building. No denying that was fire lol.
That was 14 years after the fact, that's very different

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The dood didn't like gay people. It aint a terrorist attack the dood doesn't like to see men kissing.


But big bad America will always blame some shit on terrorists.
Murdering 50 people isnt terrorism? u wot m8
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If you're not gonna offer condolences or exude sorrow, then just don't mention deaths or rapes or anything of that nature. Just because you didn't perpetrate the tragedy, any trivialisation is just gonna compound the victims despair. This has got nothing to do with political correctness, it's just very uncivilised behaviour.
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Shock value/caustic type of writing in a shock value subculture

It's not surprising that these events are referenced
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Far too many citizens have adopted the "just kill em all" mentality over isolated incidents involving 1 individual like what happened this morning. I don't know which is more alarming, the attacks themselves or how fast people are to condone mass murder in response.
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When I heard the biggest mass shooting in America happened. I wasn't thinking, "man what kind of bars will be said because of this".
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When I heard the biggest mass shooting in America happened. I wasn't thinking, "man what kind of bars will be said because of this".
Neither did I, but DNA probably has some ready to go.
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I gotta imagine the DNA bar would be something like:

"Show up to Orlando in a lambo with a shotty that'll spray hard,
I'll give bucks to all them fags in the club - now that's a gay bar"
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Nothing is sacred in battles anymore DNA used an ali bar 2 days after he died if im smashed in the venue i might react but i will usually feel great shame afterwards , i haven't written a current event bar and i probably wont too easy.
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I gotta imagine the DNA bar would be something like:

"Show up to Orlando in a lambo with a shotty that'll spray hard,
I'll give bucks to all them fags in the club - now that's a gay bar"
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Easy shock value. Same reasons comediens do it. Battle rap is no different. I usually wont react because the bars aren't thought out and are just rushed to be the first one to mention it. If the bar is clever I really don't care though.

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this is textbook domestic terrorism and terrorist doesn't mean Muslim jihadist
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Depends. Who says it, how nuanced it is, is it for obvious shock value, or did it fit in nicely with the things they usually say, etc.

There's a difference between Rone's "fuck all those kids from Norway" and Bender's "that's like drawing Mohammad, real killers might run up and clear out a magazine."

I empathize, and I can rant a while on things like this last Orlando shooting. And I have. But, I don't look to battle rap for cues on this kind of thing.
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Anyone who says it's not terrorism is an idiot. It doesn't matter what his cause is it's terrorism regardless. Being a Muslim and pledging your allegiance to ISIS is what makes you a Muslim jihadist.
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i'm not talkin about Orlando. Certainly it made me think of the topic all morning. But y do u think battlers feel a need to bring recent horrors into battles so quickly and easily, and how do u feel about said-tactic as apart of the entertainment?
Its an easy way to manipulate an empathetic audience and get a predictable response.

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Shotgun Suge vs. Charron:

"I ain't battling YOU, this is justice for MIKE BROWN"

*Crowd erupts*
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Now that I think about it, I think I'd rather someone run up on me with a pistol than a dick beater. A pistol somehow sounds less terrifying.
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Old 06-13-2016, 06:47 PM   #36
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Battle rappers in general clearly aren't the most learned group of people and for entertainment/shock value, it honestly needs to stay that way.

Obviously, there are exceptions like Hollow, Dumb, etc IMO. But overall, why would you expect some man poet not to touch on mass shootings when 80% of these dudes rap about shooting people for 45 fucking minutes straight? That's the extent of their creativity.

I mean this is battle rap where calling your opponent a faggot every line, making fun of his/her retarded family member, other disabilities, race, and full-on conspiracy theory rounds are the norm.

You can't expect guys living paycheck to paycheck by making fun of other guys not to throw low hanging fruit into their material.

But that's what makes battle rap battle rap. It's a form of uncensored expression, for better or for worse.

Otherwise, we'll have the opposite end of the spectrum which god forbid, is a culture full of "progressive" Soul Khan's.

He's literally a full-time Nabisco apologist liberal, Bernie loving, socialist-leaning, little-pussy-ass-dog having hipster, making a living off of a black art form, while condemning what others say in rap battles.

Battle rap must stay true to its roots in order to evolve or risk going down the same shit hole as our country. As more and more false-public PC outcries occur, I hope we see a battle rap renaissance with new artists venturing into the cultcha as a way to truly express themselves without fear of being reprimanded by the masses.

Obviously, RIP to everyone involved in the Orlando tragedy, which I'm assuming was the motivation for this thread.

But the last thing battle rap needs is to become yet another form of censored bullshit where everyone gets a trophy and every quote is analyzed by the 23% of adults who make up Twitter and have nothing else to do but start social justice movements while wasting away on their mom's couch.
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Old 06-13-2016, 07:41 PM   #37
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Otherwise, we'll have the opposite end of the spectrum which god forbid, is a culture full of "progressive" Soul Khan's.

He's literally a full-time Nabisco apologist liberal, Bernie loving, socialist-leaning, little-pussy-ass-dog having hipster, making a living off of a black art form, while condemning what others say in rap battles.

Battle rap must stay true to its roots in order to evolve or risk going down the same shit hole as our country. As more and more false-public PC outcries occur, I hope we see a battle rap renaissance with new artists venturing into the cultcha as a way to truly express themselves without fear of being reprimanded by the masses.
Personally, I don't think socially conservative, aggressively anti-PC people who complain about social justice should have a place in hip hop culture, AT ALL, but what do I know...

Soul kahn's a real one imo
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Personally, I don't think socially conservative, aggressively anti-PC people who complain about social justice should have a place in hip hop culture, AT ALL, but what do I know...

Soul kahn's a real one imo
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If you're not gonna offer condolences or exude sorrow, then just don't mention deaths or rapes or anything of that nature. Just because you didn't perpetrate the tragedy, any trivialisation is just gonna compound the victims despair. This has got nothing to do with political correctness, it's just very uncivilised behaviour.
Actually after some thought I think it's kind of acceptable for a battler compare their opponent to a notorious terrorist or evil doer if they actually look like them. But I still feel like any mention of the victims, or the atrocity itself should only be made if you're sincerely conveying sympathy for those affected.
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