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Old 10-15-2016, 04:40 PM   #1
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what the shit is a barsmith
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I hate to be that guy, but I also love to be that guy, so... How are we defining "bar"?
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I hate to be that guy, but I also love to be that guy, so... How are we defining "bar"?
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Lets define bar as a lyric here. Some battlers are noted for freestyle ability, performance, or aggression. But for the purpose of this thread, barsmith is a rapper that comes to a battle and just raps. In many cases has a one dimensional style.

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not one person you mentioned really has a one dimensional style under your guidelines besides maybe bigg k
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not one person you mentioned really has a one dimensional style under your guidelines besides maybe bigg k
Aside from disagreeing with my list, what is your point of entering this thread?
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again wanting to know what a 'barsmith' was
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again wanting to know what a 'barsmith' was
We both know it is a nebulous term I used loosely to get a debate going. You are just acting ornery now. I hope your day improves.
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Nice addition. Do you consider him lacking other elements? If so, do you think he has the potential to put on more diverse performances?
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Nice addition. Do you consider him lacking other elements? If so, do you think he has the potential to put on more diverse performances?
yeah soul's one of my favorite battlers but his biggest strength is far and away his writing to the point where he sacrifices things like delivery/performance/etc. he's gotten better in those regards especially recently but I think he doesn't pull down huge views because his bars are so complex and reference heavy that it's tough to get into unless you're really about that style.

honestly i don't think he needs to put on more 'diverse' performances, I just think he fits the bill for what you'd described.
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yeah soul's one of my favorite battlers but his biggest strength is far and away his writing to the point where he sacrifices things like delivery/performance/etc. he's gotten better in those regards especially recently but I think he doesn't pull down huge views because his bars are so complex and reference heavy that it's tough to get into unless you're really about that style.

honestly i don't think he needs to put on more 'diverse' performances, I just think he fits the bill for what you'd described.
I hear ya, sometimes its best do specialize in what you do best. Not that improving weaknesses is always bad tho. Anyway, I don't think my list is perfect considering the follow up definition of 'barsmith' that I gave. So thanks. I made this thread because of the Ill Will/ Rum Nitty battle and the review by Chris Unbias. I liked Nitty's verses better overall but he got me thinking about all the different things Ill Will did in that match.
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i think Illmac at his best is a better writer than anyone mentioned in this thread except for possibly QP. but he's a lot more versatile than what you're looking for here it seems.
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It's like a cocksmith. But with bars.
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off your rocker a bit bud

the list didn't correlate and I didn't understand what you meant, so I asked what you meant, as most do in said situation

you posed a question w/ a list, am I not allowed to disagree?
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off your rocker a bit bud

the list didn't correlate and I didn't understand what you meant, so I asked what you meant, as most do in said situation

you posed a question w/ a list, am I not allowed to disagree?
Sure, go ahead but it's better if you improve the list
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yeah soul's one of my favorite battlers but his biggest strength is far and away his writing to the point where he sacrifices things like delivery/performance/etc. he's gotten better in those regards especially recently but I think he doesn't pull down huge views because his bars are so complex and reference heavy that it's tough to get into unless you're really about that style.

honestly i don't think he needs to put on more 'diverse' performances, I just think he fits the bill for what you'd described.
Is he really sacrificing things that he never had to begin with
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Is he really sacrificing things that he never had to begin with
true, sacrificing was the wrong word. more like lacking.
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But then that leaves out Danja, Illmac etc
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But then that leaves out Danja, Illmac etc
What do you think about Daylyt, Bigg K, and JC?
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Chilla Jones.

To the guy that mentioned Illmaculate.. I need to see your argument. I understand writing is all about subjective interpretation, but I'm guessing you're more impressed with layered multis than outright metaphors and punching ability?

Illmac in no way could punch with any of these guys. That's simply not his forte.

(Yes this is inferring I think punching is better than multis and other formats)
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Verb definitely can punch at times but for some reason I see him ill and fresco more as wordsmiths than barsmiths hahaha it just seems like it fits more
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Verb definitely can punch at times but for some reason I see him ill and fresco more as wordsmiths than barsmiths hahaha it just seems like it fits more
oh i think i feel u. i'mma nominate JC and Born
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I guess it all depends on how you define it haha to me I'm most impressed with the word patterns and flows that verb, ill, and fresco structure their bars and punches in... Even tho the punches are fire I'd consider that a WORDsmith

Guys like Magic, K, O red ect.... to me are BARsmiths because I'm not always a huge fan of how they deliver or structure the bar or the build up but the Punches are fire

"Put a couple in his top like a wedding cake"

It's the one liners that makes em different to me I guess
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Bigg K is nice, although he's not as good as he used to be.

Daylyt at his best can fuck with anybody but he has too many reaches/stretched wordplay for me to have him top 5.

JC is seriously underrated.
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Bigg K is nice, although he's not as good as he used to be.

Daylyt at his best can fuck with anybody but he has too many reaches/stretched wordplay for me to have him top 5.

JC is seriously underrated.
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Chilla Jones.

To the guy that mentioned Illmaculate.. I need to see your argument. I understand writing is all about subjective interpretation, but I'm guessing you're more impressed with layered multis than outright metaphors and punching ability?

Illmac in no way could punch with any of these guys. That's simply not his forte.

(Yes this is inferring I think punching is better than multis and other formats)
Chilla Schemes a lot.. so I wouldn't include him.. I prob wasnt clear about my opinion when I wrote this

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Old 10-16-2016, 01:35 AM   #38
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@LukeWaltonisGoat Verb is fire no doubt. I might not have been clear when I was writing this.. but I'm shooting for a list that is cold, calculated punch after punch no filler. I should prob take QP off the list because he does other stuff
No I agree 100% check that breakdown I gave to sleeping dogs on page 3 I just explained the difference I think of Magic type battlers with this category
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Verb definitely can punch at times but for some reason I see him ill and fresco more as wordsmiths than barsmiths hahaha it just seems like it fits more
Word, I like the distinction of wordsmiths and bars smiths... I'm still in the process of figuring out in Punch King's and barsmiths are the same thing or different. What do you think?
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