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Old 05-11-2016, 10:58 AM   #1
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Franco discussion (plus J-Pro verses transcribed)

I can't figure out a couple of things that franco says in this battle, so I figured that I'd transcribe the whole thing to the best of my abilities instead of just showing up at rmbva's door empty handed and asking for a favour.

listening to this battle, which actually features bars for his opponent unlike the nocoast shambles, I'm curious yet again about Franco.

People rate OnlyOne as good, and pedro for that matter. it occurs to me that there is probably more of a place for Franco in battle rap now than there has been since probably 2010.

beyond the battles, there're more cyphers and oddities on the main channels now, plus the gentle resurgence of the four bar format. maybe a webham type of video from DF america would be a good vessel in which to capture a capsule of franco's best self, or a BOTZ royal rumble

he would need to make himself more clear / easily apprehended tbh.

I'm sure he's been abducted by human blood sucking leeches and interrogated about the information he has and how he has been able to put it in a 4 bar measured instrumental, but it is my firm belief that he is one of the best to do it (not in terms of lyricism necessarily, but willingness to improvise, focus, aggression, etc, he's highly watchable)

take a look at the Ex-I battle, from 1:30, 6:46, 12:14
not interested in J-Pro here, no offensive to Sr. Professional I think he won.

Consider match ups with: Reverse Live, OnlyOne, Ness Lee, Pedro,


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[Spitter on my left who you be]

Franco the flow dirty master
flowmaster fat sack from Humbolt, bitch.

[wooooooo]
[J Pro Call it in the air ... tails]

HE's supposed to call it

[Nah, He did and you won]

I'll go first

[Franco goes first ahhhhhh hold it down hold it down]

ROUND ONE

Ah, weightless as I travel through time in my spaceship
feel the [???balances? battlements?] rise from the basements
for the fragrance from the organisms as they shapeshift,
coordinated for the changes
warn the children of the dangers
when the rain hits I'm fading away you'll be trickling down the drain kid.

Took a trip to the mainland,
just chilling out like a penguin;
the language is strangest - same thing with the natives.
Couldn't say for sure, but they live.
Save one for the ages. Pages and pages,
now they're taking my name to engrave it in the pavements -
you're still wondering where the days went,
living your days in amazement 'bout mother nature's many faces,
see the traces and places that I may visit:
suitcase and a train ticket,
toothpaste inside of inside of shoelace and my brain vivid.
They say get into your main mission,
came in here with a sprain limping
now I'm jumping for joy but I can't listen. [mimes skipping]
I got an 808 with a banging system
Frank slipping, my thanks giving, now the paint stripping.
I ain't tripping its the same difference if you hang with him.
Thank women for your game pimping.
[can't hear for the crowd]
All that I remember is the second time the clock ticked back and forth like a pendulum. Better run ...
to the store for some dinner in a hurry gimme some,
hope they charge a ten dollar minimum.
Dum dididum, drum from the city slum,
silly thug, smack a wack rapper with a billy club -
then I'm gonna call your women out, just the pretty ones.
Quick fast get up in that ass like an enema - feeling shitty son,
hella lifted from the lithium get it done if you spit it gritty like an idiom.
Pity for a fool that grew up in the city cause if living's stuck
they'll consider gettin rid of you.
Nothing in particular that I'm gonna spit for you, [too true Franco, don't be this honest with them]
coming from the sticks and I just don't give a fuck.
Keep the trivia straight from the middle of nowhere,
and I'm gonna go there like Bolivia.

So keep on your game face,
cos the reality we're both from the same place -
with tiujuana maselana roserito
If cali was any further north we'd be in a world with no burritos.

I wrote the sequel for the local people,
and compared to me there's no-one equal.
You ain't as dope as me fool.
This kid doesn't smoke blunts, he smokes chorizo.

And as for this J pro guy, it's ok, go die,
cos you ain't fit to represent the 805.

Good thing you wore a hat bro to cover up your fat rolls,
cos the back of your neck looks like Mad Illz asshole

Your mind will shatter ... your mind will shatter
your mind'll shatter from my rhymes and your spine'll fracture.
They got me up here fucking battling a giant badger.

And as for the epsilon project, go check on your concepts
before I show up in your yard and step on your dog's neck.


[J-PRO goes]

FRANCO ROUND TWO

Check it: when my words I will rip you it will hurt when I hit you,
and I bet my bottom dollar that I'll murder a bitch too.
So don't make me turn this to a personal issue
when I show up here in public with a verse that'll diss you.

Perfect for a pistol, I don't give a fuck right now
I could grab you by your leg straight hang you upside down -

turn you inside out til your body implodes,
shove a stick of dynamite up your ass and watch it explode.

Freestyle odyssey, born a lion child prodigy,
you'll be condemned to purgatory for any MC that try to copy me.
So do me a favour: break down the situation logically.
Fuck you in the ass and classify this rap's a sodomy.
Give up my dick this shit is private property,
and spit the type of shit that move into high velocity, fibre optically.
See through you micropscopically, Allah can see
the seventh pillar of islam to me.
Psychologically, smoke trees and sky from botany,
spitting dope sounds into the mic is my philosophy
and overdoses of explosives at high voltage and my live show gets
a freestyle like I wrote it to devise most kids
itself is like mitosis.
I'm the dopest hit em with a style ferocious
you ain't even dope as this vocalist,
step close to this and your fucking throat gets slit.

You're the retarded stale shit of a garbage pail kid.
You [crowd noise] a post card you mailed in.

And that's why you'll be an insignificant statistic
with the physical charactistics of what a bitch is.
You can't ignore this or dismiss this,
I'm about to straight blow up and go ballistic
I write the types of rhymes that make you famous
that can't be explained like iodine radiation or
alien spaceships flying over military bases.
I use a fucking paper weight to bash you in the face with.

There's no escaping this or debating it,
it looks like your face and lips are fucking caked in shit.

When your face to face with a fucking atheist
go take care of your own goddamn fucking relationships.
You're about to get 86 after you get beat to death by my fucking SKATER KICKS! [takes shoe off]
Every time I have the mic in my hand, chill;
your style's rusty like an old track in a land fill -
I can kill, slam your punk ass like an anvil,
I make the beat stand still I'm so damn ill.

Relentless with my sentences, apprentices try to invent some shit
It's simple: when you're not a flow dirty master you're just a simpleton.

Pimping men with his dimples an' impotent from smoking cigarettes
you said your not addicted yet your dripping sweat
reaching for your nicorette's ridiculous.

I'm meticulous and inconspicuous with gibberish [TOO HONEST, FRANK]
I'm sick with this shit I spill like it was black liquorice.
Your bitch is ticklish.

I was [crowd drowns him out]
my style's hideous, need a video for this.

[J-PRO's second round]

FRANCO ROUND THREE

I'm original kid, I'm gun clapping attacking you
making this tranny cardiovascular, slashing you
like an axe in your face and I'm mashing you.

Flowmaster fat sacks like a bad acid flash back,
I got a gat packed and a strap to blast at your fucking fat ass.

And that crap on the radio reminds me of J-PRO,
and why I hate those try to perpetrate my stage show.
I'm positive, meandering through all the special operatives as franco

I'm a great host just like Space Ghost on the late show.
What you really got to say bro, you're gay, ho.
I could mould and shape your face like play-dough.

Ever since this faggot was born they named him J-PRO,
his stage show was amateur porn.
In humboldt his ass's get torn up by some antlers and horns

In a second play my record til my classic gets on pass the baton
your track is wrong you won't last long in this decatholon for master [zords?].
I smash your ass its like a mastadon.
I bounce this clown up out my cypher like a basketball.
Fool you aint half as raw, I make classic songs like Rapping Ron
all the way back to Nasty Nas, son I'll crack your jaw.
You wack as Asher Roth
in the fucking bathroom jacking off to motherfucking David Hasselhof.

J-Professional dress as a damn eskimo,
came to the battle looking like a transexual,
and every time j pro pro goes to a rap festive
he likes to come on stage and fondle his man's testicles.

Flow dirty master, not a pseudo intellectual
might work at texaco I don't rap it though because I never go.

Shout out to your relatives from mexico!
With so many family members no one can accept it so
you should innovating you're debating with immigration
they'll give you a demonstration to help you with your assimilition
to an all american rhymer, this is MC intimidation.

But don't get caught up in all the racial discrimination.
I'm relating the facts of what I say on my tracks,
youre regurgitating and then just saying it back
all mixed up like DJs playing the wax.
You're afraid to say but face it I made it in rap.

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Old 05-11-2016, 11:33 AM   #3
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i've always maintained Franco vs Pedro needs to go down.

just think of all the dumb shit they'd say



how long did this take you? good work.
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I watched the Franco vs J Pro battle bout 2-3x last week myself (only Franco)
The Pedro battle definitely needs to happen
and you, Sir, need to be accommodated for writing all the lyrics down.
Franco is for sure one of the most entertaining and original in the acapella format

"you'll be condemned to purgatory for any MC that try to copy me"
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Franco was like a combination of a bunch of dope "battle-related" rappers. Canibus, Em, Eyedea, the Heiro crew.

All facts though, I'm actually fucking with J-Pro in this one. He had some crazy punches (even though he sounds like Chino and raps like Vinne/Jus Allah(used to)....to me, that's not an entirely bad thing though...
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Also, reps to OP for posting this.

Reps to Cringemaster Flex, Marky MARKass, G-Money for fucking up the 5 words he tried to memorize for the intro.

Reps to Lush for lookin a lot like Jon Lovitz in this one. So trill.
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chilling like a penguin
"jumping for joy" while he's skipping
the skate shoe threat

are all great moments
but I love how candid these lines are:

Nothing in particular that I'm gonna spit for you,
I'm meticulous and inconspicuous with gibberish


lowkey Franco is a handsome dude
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Repping you for transcribing the intro/coin flip process
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Omg, Franco vs. Pedro>>>>>

Did Franco vs. Tiger Ty ever go down? That'd be fire af
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tell me which timestamps you can't understand and i can probably decipher it
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what you need to do is stop talkin, like you was in the presence of godfathers and mob bosses

this idiot was in a near fatal car accident, and then got a DUI like 2 months after it

ive never seen 8 mile, fuck you/ kid i'll be watchin wild style, style wars and krush groove

franco is one of the goats, seriously.

also it might not have mattered, but he did get fucked over at sj against nocan.
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is it from for me to fight for unity? im from a predominantly white community
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woody harrelson? that's a good comparison? what are you gay or something, you shouldn't stare at him

punchlines? i'm scribble jam alumni!
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Franco, Pedro & Mic Assassin are a holy trinity of stream of consciousness hyperactive nonsense OG's that should all battle one another for the good of tha culcha.

So yeah, I'd love to see Franco back.
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So yeah, i'd love to see franco back.
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I remember at the time this was regarded as some sort of even battle. Then and probably now I view it as one of the most 1 sided battles I've ever seen. Franco is like 28398 kinds of trash
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Pedro in a 4-bar tradeoff situation could be dope.

Franco was amazing in the freestyle era. He never shown much interested in adapting to the written format, and I don't expect him to in the future.

This was a fun time though:


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Can we get Franco vs Canibus.....a clash of the mad, mysterious, enigmatic savants.

If Dirtbag Dan could get them both on the podcast it would be such a deviation from the monotony, I just wanna see them both in a room together to see who's the wackier genius lol....Doesn't even have to be a battle.
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Franco rapping at No Coast was not a "fun time" for me

It was crushing seeing a rap legend barely get out mixtape verses he'd just done onstage
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Franco was amazing in the freestyle era. He never shown much interested in adapting to the written format, and I don't expect him to in the future.
when people say things like this, i immediately discount their opinion and assume they're either retarded or just regurgitating other people's stance on this

check franco vs kodyack and tell me he didn't embrace the style of written battles then. franco was great at written battles, just some of his later stuff is clearly random verses that aren't battle oriented.
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Would be nice to see him in a BOTZ royal rumble with several other vets coming back and embracing that format. Bo-Rat too. Diz said he would battle Franco on the Dirtbag Dan Show, that would be hilarious if it was freestyle over beats.
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Franco da god>>

Heavy influence back in the freestyle dayz brah.
And yeah mic assassin needs to come back
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when people say things like this, i immediately discount their opinion and assume they're either retarded or just regurgitating other people's stance on this

check franco vs kodyack and tell me he didn't embrace the style of written battles then. franco was great at written battles, just some of his later stuff is clearly random verses that aren't battle oriented.
Yes I saw franco vs kodyack and vs ex-i when they came out, thanks. I greatly enjoyed them, but that's different than him fully adapting to the format. Obviously it was early in GT history, but for instance Real Deal and Okwerdz battled Ex-I around the same time Franco did and you can see how much further evolved they were at that point.

After that, he went backwards, not forwards - only half a round of direct material for J-Pro, none in the next two battles. COULD he do better? Sure, probably - it just doesn't seem like a direction he wants to go.
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tell me which timestamps you can't understand and i can probably decipher it
(1) feel the [???balances? battlements?] rise from the basements
probably aroun 1:48, it's the second bar of the first round - is he saying balrog? idk man

(2) I figure 'You [crowd noise] a post card you mailed in.' in round 2 was actually 'your personality was on a post card you mailed in'

(3) the 808 banging system line, around 2:35 I reckon

(4) your track is wrong you won't last long in this decatholon for master [zords?]. 13:00

Any help appreciated, although I shouldn't be surprised, you're like the best pedigree of franco fan imo
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did Franco ever put anything out? I remember 'Fricassee' and also this rare gem:


putting this out there: I would pay $50 US for a reasonable 30+ min release of Francos music.

Likewise, if Aye Verb ever put out his audiobook that would be worth casually $50 to me on CD
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did Franco ever put anything out? I remember 'Fricassee' and also this rare gem:
He was on Non-Perishables 1 and 2, and his crew did a tape called Spitshine. Here are the solo projects that I'm aware of:

First solo album 2007, "Even if the Record Skips"
https://www.amazon.com/Even-If-Recor.../dp/B002E6M62S

He did an album in 2010 with Phillip Drummond that's pretty dope.
https://phillipdrummond.bandcamp.com...th-the-punches

"Legend of Tha Flow Dirty Masta" came out in 2012, it's not on bandcamp anymore though so not sure where to find it.
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did Franco ever put anything out? I remember 'Fricassee' and also this rare gem:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KK79ttX1zac

putting this out there: I would pay $50 US for a reasonable 30+ min release of Francos music.

Likewise, if Aye Verb ever put out his audiobook that would be worth casually $50 to me on CD
I think I still have "Buddha Break" from the non perishables cd - on my ipod
and also "Francas".

I do remember a guy a knew from the internet back in 2011 that was looking all over for Franco music because he thought Franco was some godly character in rap form. He said Franco said that he freaked out and got aggravated at Phillip Drummond for attempting and/or actually releasing Franco's music when Franco didn't approve of it.
Just a rumor but hilarious nonetheless
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Naw don't freak out. I'm just a guy from Chicago area that's watched battle rap since Serius Jones/ Jin era and a lot of other shit while fucking bitches and getting respect in the real world. But I do know quite a bit of shit that I don't need to

/edit: I've never even stepped foot in a battle rap event

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Pedro in a 4-bar tradeoff situation could be dope.

Franco was amazing in the freestyle era. He never shown much interested in adapting to the written format, and I don't expect him to in the future.

This was a fun time though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN4ZYC6qH-4

Shoutout the firetruck.
Did Knoxx actually say "Shut up firetruck/Before I hit you inside your butt!"?

nvm doesn't matter...that crowd loved it.
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First CD

It is from 2002. Got it from him during college. I can't find it anywhere on the internet.
Also this

Franco Callous Kush Unite 1, I think this one is from around 2003. This one is not on the internet either. Roll With the Punches is out there, there is a video for one of the tracks where they do a parody of Mike Tyson's Punchout. I also have the Legend of the Flow Dirty Master which is the most recent. I'm looking for Even if the Record Skips, Nonexistent, and FCKU2.
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(1) feel the [???balances? battlements?] rise from the basements
probably aroun 1:48, it's the second bar of the first round - is he saying balrog? idk man
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with a personality from a postcard you mailed in

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you won't last in this decathlon, flowmasta's on (his nickname is flowmasta fatsac)
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I think I still have "Buddha Break" from the non perishables cd - on my ipod
and also "Francas".

I do remember a guy a knew from the internet back in 2011 that was looking all over for Franco music because he thought Franco was some godly character in rap form. He said Franco said that he freaked out and got aggravated at Phillip Drummond for attempting and/or actually releasing Franco's music when Franco didn't approve of it.
Just a rumor but hilarious nonetheless
pretty sure the track was fracas, not francas

that rumor seems true, drummond told me about it way back, said franco was paranoid that drummond sold a bunch of his shit without giving him money or something like that. not 100% sure of which side the truth is on.
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pretty sure the track was fracas, not francas

that rumor seems true, drummond told me about it way back, said franco was paranoid that drummond sold a bunch of his shit without giving him money or something like that. not 100% sure of which side the truth is on.
Shit. I've had it Francas for years. Keeping it that way, I just remixed it.

DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN!!!!
Then I respect Franco a bit more.
I hope it wasn't about money but the fact that Franco didn't want those type of vibrations out in the world yet. Fire fire, thank you.
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always liked that one minus elliot
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He was on Non-Perishables 1 and 2, and his crew did a tape called Spitshine. Here are the solo projects that I'm aware of:

First solo album 2007, "Even if the Record Skips"
https://www.amazon.com/Even-If-Recor.../dp/B002E6M62S

He did an album in 2010 with Phillip Drummond that's pretty dope.
https://phillipdrummond.bandcamp.com...th-the-punches

"Legend of Tha Flow Dirty Masta" came out in 2012, it's not on bandcamp anymore though so not sure where to find it.
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Reps to OP for as long as i live for transcribing, i would love to see Franco back he really is 1 of a kind, a total murderer on the early - mid 2000's freestyle scene.


I seriously hope to see Franco battle again, vs Pedro in the US would be fire.
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