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Old 01-21-2014, 08:25 PM   #1
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Who has a better roster? Canada or UK?

So we all know USA is #1 in this rap shit. But who's #2?

Canada

-Pat Stay
-Bender
-Arcane
-Hollohan
-Loe Pesci
-100 Bulletz
-Charron
-Kid Twist
-Knamelis

England
-Eurgh
-Shotty Horroh
-Soul
-Matter
-Cruger
-Oshea
-Tony D
-Deffinition
-Chris Leese
-Sensa
-Unanymous
-Bamalam

Who am I missing? And I'm only listing the cats who are popular right now and for the most part considered great battle rappers (Bamalam is a little bit of a stretch - but what I'm saying is people like Rupert Common and Fingaz don't count)

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Old 01-21-2014, 08:27 PM   #2
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This thread again, it all comes down to opinion and usually ends up in an argument
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Old 01-21-2014, 08:32 PM   #4
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I'd also add Shotty, Marlo & Shuffle, Soul (who's better than nearly everyone mentioned), and then even guys like Ogmios, Matter and Cee Major as at least very good & reasonably well respected

I think the UK roster is deeper and more varied for sure (outside the top 5 or so, UK would easily take it), but guys like Bender, Pesci, Stay on the very top of their game would beat anyone here
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The top 5/10 are pretty similar but after that the uk has a much better roster.
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Canada has better top end talent.

UK is a bit deeper.
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Canada have more top notch battlers. Shotty Horroh is the only British battler who could stand up to guys like Bigg K, Real Deal, Hollow etc, whereas Canada have about 5 guys who'd have a chance. Don't Flop's top 5 consists of decent battlers, but not great battlers. Their mid-tiers are very equal. Don't Flop has a better undercard tier though, I would rather watch guys like Micky Worthless and Enigma than Tycoon Tax and Luciano Crakk.

The fact that the UK's double the population of Canada, and it's not even better than Canada, proves how misguided Eurgh is as a businessman and talent spotter.
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Canada have more top notch battlers. Shotty Horroh is the only British battler who could stand up to guys like Bigg K, Real Deal, Hollow etc, whereas Canada have about 5 guys who'd have a chance. Don't Flop's top 5 consists of decent battlers, but not great battlers. Their mid-tiers are very equal. Don't Flop has a better undercard tier though, I would rather watch guys like Micky Worthless and Enigma than Tycoon Tax and Luciano Crakk.

The fact that the UK's double the population of Canada, and it's not even better than Canada, proves how misguided Eurgh is as a businessman and talent spotter.
honestly, don't flop are getting good crowds all over the UK, have a good reputation in student cities, and get decent views on viral videos (the mos prob proposal was on a few national newspaper sites, grist/blizzard 4m+ views etc), have branched into bigger name venues like Ministry Of Sound & O2 clubs - assuming he's behind it, eurgh is actually a pretty solid businessman. i know a lot of people with no interest in hip hop that check for DF battles fairly regularly, they're definitely filling a niche here.

Ogmios hung with Real Deal and he's probably barely top 10 df
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I think top Canada has it for a while I think uk has a deeper roster


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The top 5 in Canada haven't done anything good recently
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Canada has better top end talent.

UK is a bit deeper.
This tbh. I'd take Canada top 5 over UK top 5 but 6-20 Uk>>

But USA>>>everybody else put together
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honestly, don't flop are getting good crowds all over the UK, have a good reputation in student cities, and get decent views on viral videos (the mos prob proposal was on a few national newspaper sites, grist/blizzard 4m+ views etc), have branched into bigger name venues like Ministry Of Sound & O2 clubs - assuming he's behind it, eurgh is actually a pretty solid businessman. i know a lot of people with no interest in hip hop that check for DF battles fairly regularly, they're definitely filling a niche here.

Ogmios hung with Real Deal and he's probably barely top 10 df
If any outlet or artist has mainstream visibility and accessibility, it's output can be terrible, and still make sales, or get views, BUT if your mainstream rivals are distributing products of a higher quality, then you have to improve, otherwise people will reject you in favour of an equally mainstream alternative. Why don't you hear guys like Soulja Boi on the radio anymore? It's because the standards of pop-rap have improved so much that you now can't sell records if you aren't creating dope music, and it doesn't matter how heavily funded you are. So eventually people will reject Don't Flop and convert to KOTD/URL/UW, because they release better battles. It's not too late for Eurgh to avert this though, if he implemented the changes I suggested.
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If any outlet or artist has mainstream visibility and accessibility, it's output can be terrible, and still make sales, or get views, BUT if your mainstream rivals are distributing products of a higher quality, then you have to improve, otherwise people will reject you in favour of an equally mainstream alternative. Why don't you hear guys like Soulja Boi on the radio anymore? It's because the standards of pop-rap have improved so much that you now can't sell records if you aren't creating dope music, and it doesn't matter how heavily funded you are. So eventually people will reject Don't Flop and convert to KOTD/URL/UW, because they release better battles. It's not too late for Eurgh to avert this though, if he implemented the changes I suggested.
he's still got the British fanbase on lock though unless someone makes a better battle league in the UK, which is gonna be tough.
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he's still got the British fanbase on lock though unless someone makes a better battle league in the UK, which is gonna be tough.
But what's stopping British people from watching URL or KOTD? Also URL and KOTD are yet to throw the perfect event, although BOTB6 was really dope imo. BUT if BO4 and High Stakes are amazing, and they cross-over to the UK, it might change the British public's standards and preferences of battling, they might demand more, they might look at DF and say "this isn't as good as Blackout 4 and High Stakes, I'm gonna switch to those channels". But if the events disappoint then that might not happen.

BTW @Rusty Shackleford I don't think Ogmios vs Real Deal was close. Real Deal made 30% effort and still won convincingly imo. If Real Deal replicated his B-Magic form it would've been a body-bag.

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So we all know USA is #1 in this rap shit. But who's #2?

Canada

-Pat Stay
-Bender
-Arcane
-Hollohan
-Loe Pesci
-100 Bulletz
-Charron
-Kid Twist
-Knamelis

England
-Eurgh
-Shotty Horroh
-Soul
-Matter
-Cruger
-Oshea
-Tony D
-Deffinition
-Chris Leese
-Sensa
-Unanymous
-Bamalam

Who am I missing? And I'm only listing the cats who are popular right now and for the most part considered great battle rappers (Bamalam is a little bit of a stretch - but what I'm saying is people like Rupert Common and Fingaz don't count)

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@My Kall your pretty much totally off regarding everything you have said about DF
honestly, i can't say i blame him. he's judging it by the same standards as he would an American league, because DF's exposure here really doesn't show itself internationally I don't think

Don't flop has a big fanbase in the UK that are fans of DF - not necessarily battling, or even rap. I know people from Plymouth that have never watched a KOTD battle in their life that are fans of Unan because they saw him battle while at university. the Leeds crowd was dead for that Bender line about his team inventing chokes, because they're not battling fans and it meant nothing to them - they're don't flop fans first & foremost. they're not going to switch to URL or KOTD because those leagues aren't throwing events in their town for them to attend.

it's a weird phenomenon but it's really something that's catching on here. even this year people who've never mentioned battling before are still sharing Grist vs Blizzard on facebook. it's just a completely different crowd

I can understand American fans not getting it; I feel the same when I see Nov getting 1m+ views on AHAT. it's just not your thing

Real Deal definitely won but the consensus over here was it was a lot closer battle, I don't think Og necessarily translates well to US viewers
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@My Kall your pretty much totally off regarding everything you have said about DF
I said I didn't even think Canada has a better roster than the UK, it's about equal on balance, even though Britain should be superior. I just think Eurgh has mismanaged the league, he doesn't have the geographical advantages of KOTD and URL, so he needs to be even more astute and strategic long term, he needs to get the best out of limited resources, and I just think he could do a better job at that, but maybe I'm missing something.
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Considering Loe came light as fuck and choked every round against Soul, and still 3-0'd him, I'd say Canada wins.
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KotD vs DF? KotD wins no question.
Canada vs UK? UK wins narrowly.

Talent is way deeper though. The mid-tier in the UK is massively promising, while Canada's is pretty poor in comparison.

Also, if all the UK vets like Tenchoo, Lego, Enlish & Respek BA still battled, it'd be the UK by a mile.
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Considering Loe came light as fuck and choked every round against Soul, and still 3-0'd him, I'd say Canada wins.
soul so obviously beat him, if a UK rapper beats a North American by over 80%-20% in the polls on this forum then it's about as clear a win as you can get. and I'm a big Pesci fan

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