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Conversation Between Water Mage and Jerry
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  1. Water Mage
    02-15-2014 01:44 PM
    Water Mage
    "And you think the evidence isn't on the side of atheism? It favors theology?"

    Why does it have to be an either / or? Why does it have to be one or the other? Why can't it be possible that the evidence is not in favor of theism or atheism? I am agnostic I don't think there is enough evidence to prove either position. Its nonsensical to speak of "evidence" when discussing ideas that are by definition outside the realm of ordinary sense perception. There is lack of proof in the existence of any kind of God... Yet lack of proof is not proof against. Atheists have used arguments like this before "If there was no evidence of a dog living in a house the only reasonable conclusion is that there is no dog there" they say its the same with God.. But this analogy doesn't work because... (I can't stress this enough) absence of proof is not proof against. Before the advent of the microscope, there was no evidence of germs. Does that mean that germ theory was false?
  2. Water Mage
    02-15-2014 01:44 PM
    Water Mage
    Okay, I really do want to have a reasonable discussion. Now I admitted that I shouldn't have necessarily used the word "creationists" and I qualified my original statement..

    You realize that if you are a pantheist you can believe in some kind of "divine supernatural force" right? Read a summary of ISIS UNVEILED, Einsteins favorite book, or read a summary of Spinoza's philosophy. Secondly, Darwin explicitly stated "GOD", which, last time I checked, denotes a "divine supernatural force".
  3. Jerry
    02-15-2014 08:50 AM
    This is the last message I'm gonna send you until you start saying something sensible. YOU started this conversation. YOU negged me for some retarded shit so I negged you back. I honestly don't give two shits about the evidence you provided. Yes, I read and understood them, but it's like we're arguing to different things here. I NEVER once said that these people were atheists; in fact if you look at the thread I said it would have been almost impossible for them to label themselves as such. I just wanted to disprove that they believed in some divine or supernatural force over science and reason, and that I did. And you think the evidence isn't on the side of atheism? It favors theology? So the world is 7000 years old and there's proof god exists? Please don't bother responding if you're just going to insult my intelligence again and bring up some trivial shit or semantics from months ago. Peace
  4. Water Mage
    02-14-2014 01:22 PM
    Water Mage
    Um.. you negged me so I commented on your page thats not stalking.. Anyway I think you're actually a bit crazy if you think you proved anything.. I cited primary sources showing that Darwin and Einstein were not atheists.. And yet you somehow say you proved me wrong? Einstein described himself as a pantheist.. His favorite book was "ISIS UNVEILED".. A spiritual text which is a book that is anything but atheistic. Did you read any of the evidence I cited? Your lack of intellectual honesty is disgusting. "The evidence is on the side of atheism" wow, I am going to enjoy debating you. Tell me where and when you are available.

    I actually don't care too much about this particular topic, but its just annoying having you deny what is fact even when I show you the proof.
  5. Jerry
    02-14-2014 05:56 AM
    I don't know why you keep following me around this site; do you not have other people to talk to/ harass? You're still upset that you were proven wrong about your favorite scientists' theological positions. I really don't care enough to debate that with you but if you want to take on another subject then sure. I've very open minded. In fact, I used to be a Christian, but changed my point of view when I started actually looking at the evidence. That's skepticism, one of the bases of agnosticism. I'm only an atheist until proven otherwise, and so far the evidence is entirely on my side of the argument. Sorry if I hurt your feelings.

    My name's not Jerry btw
  6. Water Mage
    02-13-2014 05:18 PM
    Water Mage
    Still salty that I owned your feeble intellect in a debate I see ^_^ People like you are centers of pestilence to those of open minds

    By the way, I challenge you to a debate over audio on which philosophical position best suits the scientific method, you can choose atheism I will choose agnosticism and we can record it for all of RMBVA to see

    And the name Water Mage is just for fun bro, could be worse, at least my name isn't "Jerry" I feel bad for you if that's your government name.. but it would explain your aggressive yet bitch made tendencies.
  7. Water Mage
    12-31-2013 09:06 PM
    Water Mage
    Toward the end of his life Darwin's reluctance to discuss God diminished. It is in the sixth edition of the Origin where this shift is most noticeable. The sixth edition was the last edition edited by Darwin. It was released in 1872 -- some thirteen years after the first edition was published. The word "evolution" appears for the first time in the last edition.

    Darwin used the word "Creator" nine times, and the word "God" twice in the sixth edition [iii]. (Of origin of Species) Of greater importance is what he said about life and the Creator's role in it. Darwin never said that evolution was Godless or directionless. In fact, a reading of the sixth edition of Origin proves that both of these assertions are factually incorrect.
  8. Water Mage
    12-30-2013 01:50 PM
    Water Mage
    Einstein was a pantheist, he described himself as such himself. I backed that up with citations.

    You realize you can't be an atheist and a pantheist at the same time, right?

    Since information is so easily lost on you, let me help you. I will try to make this as clear as possible for you:

    [SIZE="5"]Albert Einstein's religious views have been studied extensively. He said he believed in the "pantheistic" God of Baruch Spinoza, but not in a personal god, a belief he criticized. He also called himself an agnostic, while disassociating himself from the label atheist, preferring, he said, "an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being.

    Stop ducking me, pussy
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